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    RBS Chair Attacks 'Anti-Business Ministers'

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    Ministers should abandon a growing tendency to indulge in anti-business rhetoric or risk damaging Britain's economic recovery, the head of the state-controlled Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS.L - news) (RBS) has warned.

    In an interview with Sky News, Sir Philip Hampton said that leading politicians could undermine inward investment in the UK if they continued to demonise business.

    He said: "I think we've got to watch it. I think some of the sentiment from Government ministers and [other] politicians recently won't necessarily help confidence in business morale and inward investment.

    "We need to recognise that businesses have got to succeed and that when they do so people can get very well paid.

    "But overall I think Britain is still a great place to invest, to work and to live. I'd like some of those messages to be more prominent from our political leaders from time to time."

    The comments from the chairman of a company which is 82% owned by the British taxpayer are remarkably frank - but they reflect a growing sense of unease within the business community following the furore over the pay of Stephen Hester, RBS's chief executive, and the decision to strip his predecessor, Fred Goodwin, of his knighthood.

    Sir Philip's remarks come at the end of a torrid week for RBS, which is braced for further political anger later this month when the bank reports its financial results for 2011.

    "We will have some people on very substantial packages but we will have far fewer than in recent years paid at the very highest levels. I would say some of this concentration on bonuses is overblown. Our wage bill for the bank is £8bn-9bn, so actually although bonuses get all the headlines they are a very small part of the total wage bill," he told Sky News.

    Nonetheless, Sir Philip acknowledged that RBS would have to alter the way it paid its top executives if it is to avoid a similar row erupting in 12 months' time.

    "It's a difficult issue, clearly - we've had a clear demonstration of the hostile public mood in the last week," he said.

    "We could have got elements of our communications better. Having said that we are a commercial organisation and we have to pay rates of pay to our top people for this hugely challenging task that are reasonably consistent with the rest of the market otherwise I don't think we would be able to retain and incentivise the people we need to turn this bank around."

    The RBS chairman, who was parachuted into the role alongside Hester in the autumn of 2008 when the bank was bailed out with a £45bn injection of taxpayers' money, rejected suggestions that pay at the bank was now being set by ministers rather than the RBS board.

    "I made the recommendation about the remuneration of Stephen Hester, which was accepted and discussed by the board. We do consult with shareholders including the Government, both as a shareholder and on the political aspects of the decision.

    "We haven't received any direction from government at all. We received their input which we try to take into account when we can."

    Sir Philip denied that Hester had been on the verge of resigning over the decision to relinquish his bonus of 3.6m shares - worth just under £1m at the current share price - but admitted that the RBS board had drawn up plans for his departure.

    "All boards of directors have contingency plans for chief executives being ill or leaving for other reasons.

    "If you look around the world and try to find candidates to run one of the largest banks in the world in this exceptionally challenging environment, it is no surprise that that's a very small list indeed of people who are ready, willing and able to do this sort of job."

    He also defended the pay policy of RBS, saying it had been a pioneer in reforming the way bankers are remunerated.

    "We have led the way in British banking terms in getting our pay structures more appropriately based - bonuses are all in shares, deferred and subject to claw back. We have ticked every corporate governance box, but we clearly are not carrying all our stakeholders along in the decision-making we are doing.

    "It's very important that this bank does have the right people running it. We are hugely important to the British economy and the bank is two-thirds of the size of the economy on its own. We've got to get this right and we'll only get it right with the right people."

    Referring to the crackdown by ministers on boardroom pay across British business, Sir Philip also told Sky News that he agreed with proposals outlined last month by Vince Cable, the Business Secretary.

    "I think out-of-hand is too strong [a description for remuneration practices] but the culture of pay is certainly not where it should be. There is a concern that pay is too high, particularly when performance is weak," he said.

    "The banking sector is at the epicentre of that. Returns to bank shareholder have been pretty mediocre to disastrous and yet banker pay has become massive, so there isn't a linkage. That is changing."

     

    23 comments

    • DAVID  •  3 months ago
      The government...or indeed...anyone else is not 'Anti-business'. The government and the opposition are only voicing what millions of ordinary people are complaining about...and that is excessive pay in the city. Business leaders talk about renumeration in the £millions as if it's a few quid.

      Not onlt that they expect that kind of money as if it's a right...irrespective of wether the firm does well or not. Even if they get voted off the board because of poor performance they still get a golden handshake for being rubbish at their job.

      It's that, that gets our backs up.
      • LAUGHING HYENA 3 months ago
        True. But thats the way they bamboozle the public.... "Anti Business" is supposed to put the serfs off them, in exactly the same way as the estsablishment insist on calling the St Pauls (and worldwide) protesters) "Anti-Capitalist". Its meant to make them look silly and naive, whereas they never have been anti-capitalist, they are anti greed, fraud, selfishness, arrogance, etc WITHIN capitalism.........
      • plonk 3 months ago
        The Politicians were up to their necks in it and it suits to divert any criticism away from them towards the bankers. I would like to see an investigation into the role Brown and Darling played in all this. After all it was they that Knighted Goodwin.
      • DAVID 3 months ago
        Hey up Plonk. In some ways I agree with you. The Falklands came at just the right time for Thatcher...record unemployment and inflation running at near 20% during her tenure. Carrington took the flack for allowing the Argentinians to invade...but he soon got his job back again afterwards. I dare say she (and Carrington) delayed doing anything decisive about the crisis until it was too late to prevent it, so that the subsequent deployment of the Task Force led rise to patriotism for the armed services and, thus, took minds off the state of the economy. Thatcher got in again at the following Election.

        Did she use the Falklands to bolster her own ratings? If she did, she used the lives of 100's of young servicemen to do it.
    • ROBERT  •  Milton Keynes, England  •  3 months ago
      The main problem is Banks for far too long have not been accountable to anyone and thus have had free rein to line their pockets very laviously at the expense - in particular the general public - who have their wages directly paid into their coffers. Banks should be accountable to who own them - ie the share holders or Government.
      The worst thing in the 2008 crisis was that we bailed them out - we should have let them go bankrupt and then reorganised the industry to make them accountable. It would have been better if that idiot Gordan Brown had not let the leash off the banks in the first place.
      • Nonjudgemental 3 months ago
        @Robert, the public were good enough to interfere in banking in 2008 because it was in the banking world's favour. Now when they have recovered they decide we are not worth listening too. Banks drove people to have their salaries paid into them, they then drove people to Direct Debits and living their lives with Credit Cards. Some try to say that people having high debts is down to those same people taking more credit than they could pay back. This is true but it ONLY happend because the banks allowed it to happen by not doing thorough credit checks. Only when the Credit BUBBLE burst, as everyone knew it would, did they start to cry out. Until then their year on year profits gave them huge bonuses and unwarranted praise when in fact they all knew they were building a house of cards.
    • peejaybee1  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      "CHAIR ATTACKS" how does a chair attack? Has it got motorised wheels so that is moves by its self? Do its arms move? Do you mean 'chairman' or even 'chairperson'?
    • boatman  •  3 months ago
      shuffling money round is not a business that puts food in our mouths or makes life better thats what production and manufacturing do I rate more highly the work that a dustbin man does as far for benefit to this country than all these money grabbers
    • A  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      When are people like Sir PH going to realise that bonuses were originally for success not failure. If it wasn't for the success of our brave men and women of the armed services we could possibly be living in a far different world, yet what bonuses do they get in return for their risks? All too often there is the tradgedy of serious injury and death.
    • farpost  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      "Never under estimate the power of the public or public opinion." Take a look at Egypt, Libya,Tunsia and Syria. Remuneration has to be hard pinned to company value/share price and the numbers clearly & concisely understood by everyone. Too often CEO's and Board members get massive bonuses because they have downsized the company by selling off subsidaries. These are 'one off deals' that inflate the value of 'operating profit' but can never be repeated. But lets face it anyone could do that, you don't need a highly paid CEO/Board to manipulate the operating profit by selling the families jewellery. The Banks have 'killed the Golden Goose' because of their personal greed. Claiming all the brilliant CEO's will move abroad will not make any difference to the operating profit of these companies . There are many who can step up to replace them. (Fact) Bankers need to rebuild there 'image & the confidence' by working with their customers. Perhaps by becoming less 'faceless' and eyeballing people across the table, rather than via a 'back office which relies on Credit Scoring' A database and an algorithm that is seriously flawed. Why do CEO's rely on such an arms length process.... To fragment the decision making process! But CEO's have no idea how it actually works at the lower gragulation level. Does it work......Well did you have sub-prime lending problems prior to such algorithms? Can the algorithm be manipulated ......Is Blood red?(QED) CEO's manage at the 'Macro level' unfortunately they have no idea of how flawed their systems are or the risks they take on a daily basis. 'They encourage this risk taking culture within their own Offices' because they are actually 'contracted managers only interested in the short term' (5 - 8 years) Sadly Fred Goodwn did not get out quick enough, but many escape before the brown stuff hits the fan which is their standard modus operandi!!!!
    • Six D  •  Brighton, England  •  3 months ago
      #$%$ !!
    • Mr.Naive  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Do I detect the slightest, even the smallest degree of self interest here?
      It is not anti business, it is ministers actually hearing that the rank and file are fed up to the back teeth with the me, me, me, me, me, attitude. Who do you think you are man? a talented surgeon with the skill to save life? Get over yourself man and take an honest, long look in the mirror of reality and if it is a candid view you will not like what you see.
    • Shirley  •  Banbury, England  •  3 months ago
      The biggest threat to business is from the banks themselves. They are no longer fit for purpose,
    • RICHARD  •  Birmingham, England  •  3 months ago
      If that is what he understands the government and the public are concerned about Hampton is not fit to be in the job he is in because he cannot understand plain English. He talks about 'paying top rates of pay for top people' and' businesses must succeed for people to get paid well'. Neither of these points applies to RBS - or any other bank - otherwise the 'top' people would have been paying the bank rather than collecting huge salaries. There are thousands of people who could do the job as well, if not better, than Hampton and his cronies who would accept a fraction of the salaries currently being paid to bankers but these so called 'top people' have created a myth around themselves that, unfortunately for them, only they continue to believe. This why we get this sort of whining when their fairy tales start coming undone.
      • Bert Nodules 3 months ago
        Absolute rubbish. Hampton and the rest of the RBS board are doing a good job of turning round that Bank from a dire situation brought about by the reckless purchasing of ABM Amro and the US led selling of rubbish lending which brought down the world's economy. I will agree that rates of pay for Board members has risen out of proportion to everything else and no-one can justify why a Board member gets a bigger % pay rise than any worker, but that is not restricted to Banks.
      • Nonjudgemental 3 months ago
        My own perception of this whole situation is that bankers take all the credit when everything is going well and only the certain chosen few could have achieved this. However, whenever anything goes wrong it is always someone else's fault. My problem with this is that if we have the best people in these jobs why do they always fail to see when things are going wrong?
    • phillip  •  3 months ago
      It's not Anti Business .....it's Anti Greedy Unacountable Iresponsible Parasites .....Bankers need to be accountable and they need to absorb that fact that they are NOT a special case, they are workers who can lose their jobs if they screw up just like anyone else......and if they screw up and lose a lot of people a lot of money then they should be put in jail.....or fined or shot.......Ok the last one is a bit OTT ....maybe just flogged a few hundred lashes.......in public.
    • Daily Plan it  •  3 months ago
      45 Billion of tax payers money used to save RBS and the Chairman is complaining about MP's worries and rehetoric over excessive bonuses. The rhetoric has not been anti-business and has not all been coming from MP's it has been coming from the public who have become outraged by what they have been seeing and hearing. It has been anti-excessive Bonuses, anti-excessive pay for failure and incompetence, anti-highest honours or awards for again failure and incompetence. These are very different from being anti-business. If you are anti giving your bonus back then you should have kept it like the rest of them.
    • eifion j  •  Manchester, England  •  3 months ago
      Sir Philip is way off track , he is a banker. The government is not anti-business, niether are the people. What they are is anti greed , anti incompetance anti crooks. One wonders what this man is trying to hide behind his words
    • ArD  •  3 months ago
      The goverment and the electerate are not anti business, in any way what so ever, but to put things in a nut shelll THEY ARE ANTI GREED especialy when it comes to vastly inflated wage packages, along with over inflationary bonus which run in to millions,mostly paid out in shares which is another con/ tax dodge, come on Inland Revenue your quick enough to close the loop holes on the lower paid of this country, start plugging the gaps at the top of the wage structure.
    • Kenneth  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      The answer is simple - if you don't like what you are hearing -GO
      The bankers beleve that they are indispnsible - I would assure each and everyone of them that that is not the case - there is always someone ready and able to step into their shoes - do the country a favour and emigrate !.
    • Nonjudgemental  •  Brighton, England  •  3 months ago
      Why do banking people always set themselves apart from the rest of us? The right people getting paid for doing a job that not many could do. Then why did so many banks get bailed out when they are so clever, business astute and part of an elite band of individuals? Because they are not what they think they are! We, the people, do want to have investment in businesses and we do want them to succeed but we need to see that succcess to warrant any business leaders or board getting top bonuses and salaries. When they fail they must not be paid for failure just like the rest of us.
    • Tom  •  Jarrow, England  •  3 months ago
      its for the right reason merchant banker is cockney rhyming slang for **********
    • LAUGHING HYENA  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      The people aren't anti-capitalist, and nor are the politicians. They (not tories) are anti greed, selfishness, fraud, and arrogance. Perhaps the public might now put 2 and 2 together and realise that the "anti-capitalist" jibe at the St Pauls (and worldwide) protesters was junk as well..... they aren't anti-capitalist, they're anti the above as well. The wording is to make everybody who is angered by this "anti-fairness" tribe appear naive. THEY ARE NOT,,, THEY ARE JUST.
    • John  •  Tampa, United States  •  3 months ago
      How dare this stupid little prick threaten the government of England, "Ministers should abandon a growing tendency to indulge in anti-business rhetoric or risk damaging Britain's economic recovery, the head of the state-controlled Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS.L - news) (RBS) has warned.This bank is not owned by him but by the government, sack the idiot. Banks caused the problems in the first place, not the government, all he is looking for is another big bonus, greedy #$%$
    • NEIL MACDONALD  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Its about time the banks stop paying there bonisis and start paying out the customers dividens.