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    Who is Moody’s and why does its opinion matter?


    The UK faces the prospect of losing its much-vaunted AAA credit rating, Moody’s has said. But who is Moody’s and does its opinion matter?

    WHO ARE THEY?
    Moody’s – founded by John Moody in 1909 – is a company whose purpose is to assess the credit worthiness of countries and companies. Essentially, seeing how likely you are to get your money back if you lend them some.

    John Moody invented his rating system – ranging from AAA for the safest investments to C for investments with “little prospect” of getting either your money back or any interest – to give people an at-a-glance way of assessing securities.

    ARE THERE OTHER RATINGS AGENCIES?
    Yes. Moody’s is one of three main ratings agencies. The others are Fitch and Standard & Poor’s.

    However, as they all look at the same data, a downgrade by one is generally followed by a downgrade by the other two.

    WHY DO THEY MATTER?
    They matter because a lot of investors listen to them. The UK government borrows billions and billions of pounds a year to cover the gap between its spending and its income from taxes. We spent £14billion more than we gathered in December alone.

    On top of the new borrowing, we have a massive amount of existing debt - £1trillion according to the latest reckoning – that we’ll need to “roll over” (re-borrow) unless we can pay it off first. Something that’s not overly likely in the next few decades.

    So the price we get charged to borrow this money is vital to the UK’s plans. And the opinions of the market matter.

    In April 2010 it cost Italy less to borrow money than the UK. Today it costs the UK less than 2.5% while it costs Italy almost three times that amount.

    A rise in our borrowing costs of just 1% would "force taxpayers to find an extra £21billion in debt interest payments” George Osborne said in his Autumn Budget Statement. That’s almost as much as the entire transport budget.

    That said ratings aren’t the be all and end all. When the US was dropped a notch by credit ratings agencies last year, it barely impacted the country’s borrowing costs.

    HOW DO THEY DECIDE THEIR RATINGS?
    When rating a country, Moody’s looks at things like the money coming in from taxes, how much debt the country is in, prospects for growth and how likely the government is to make its sums add up.

    One of the reasons the UK has escaped credit rating downgrades despite its massive debt is the belief that if we’re in trouble the Treasury could raise taxes and the public would pay up.

    Tax evasion is a far bigger problem in countries like Greece and Italy, leading to their ratings downgrades and increased costs of borrowing.

    CAN THEY BE TRUSTED?
    Broadly they can – but there have been big mistakes. Enron was rated AAA a mere week before it went bust and during the boom years mortgage-backed assets were rated AAA – the safest rating available.

    But by 2008 these became almost universally known as “toxic assets” and were largely responsible for the credit crunch and the ensuing recession as a lack of trust saw the financial system collapse. They lost even more credibility with the public when it emerged it was the big banks themselves who were paying for their securities to be rated in the first place.

    That said, they have generally been reliable so far when it comes to rating countries and how stable they are. This is because there is more information freely available about the state of a country’s finances.
     
    • BANDIT  •  Newbury, England  •  3 months ago
      Who has got all the money that was floating around the world?
      Where has it all gone?
      • charlie 74 3 months ago
        it was never there in the first place,, just the promise of it
      • PETER 3 months ago
        Excellent point bandit. And where did these investors get the money from? And, what about the borrowers rights? Old saying about if you owe the bank £10 it's your problem, if you owe them £m it's theirs? I think there's a need to sort out these clever economists, investors, bankers and so on
      • IAN 3 months ago
        Its not that hard, India, China and all the immigrants that have come here. We have given it all away and now borrow more so that we can continue propping up everyone else!!
    • The Preacher  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      If we owe £1trillion, who did we borrow it from and how can I get a job with them ?
      • james 3 months ago
        The banks create the money out of thin air, then #$%$ it and finally come crying to the the taxpayer to bail them out.In the real world failed businesses go bankrupt, in the banking world the government protect these failed businesses (banks) - why should taxpayers pick up the enormous tab for bankers so they can carry on collecting huge salaries? It's not justified or ethical, so far our own government have robbed every single man, woman and child in this country of their money.We need to fight back against this evil, this in a greater threat than fascism, this is what George Orwell wrote and warned people of in his book "1984".
      • TS 3 months ago
        James, you are right but what ever system you have, you will always be presented with greed - attitude by the greedy elite is "I'm alright Jack" or "I'm worth every penny". Pay fortunes and you get "Fat, lazy, cigar smoking, conceited idiots", pay pennys and you get "lean, mean, fighting machines" eager to make a penny go further.
      • John 2 months ago
        Get a job with the Bank of England. Thats who the taxpayer is mainly in debt to.If the worst comes to the worst the Government can simply default on its debts.But then the economy would collapse with all the consequences that entails.
    • GB60  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      I wish I could just keep borrowing to have a decent lifestyle, then force my employers to pay me more to meet the bills. . . . .
      Instead, idiot that I am, I struggle through each month to pay off my debts and meet the new bills.
      • james 3 months ago
        "Instead, idiot that I am, I struggle through each month to pay off my debts and meet the new bills."

        You are right, you have been mugged. Not only are you paying your debt, you are paying the bankers debt through taxation. We all are, while the still collect their billions in bonuses every Christmas off the back of our hard work.

        If you see what they have done to the poor Greeks this will soon be winging it's way here too. Watch out of made up on the spot taxes, and more injustice as the wealthy elite do everything they can to hold on to the wealth they have stollen from the system.
      • Ross 3 months ago
        Capitalist Dictatorships at it's best im afraid. We should go back to Barter & Trade like we had when Common Law was prevalent ! Unlike Admiralty Law we have now....yes seriously! Google: freemen on the land !
    • Matthew  •  3 months ago
      Watch 'An Inside Job' narrated by Matt Damon. The rating's agencies are not independent, they make billions from their recommendations. When the banks bundled together lots of sub prime C rated mortgages to sell them on the derivatives market, the ratings agencies gave them AAA status! Lots of bad debts together don't make a good debt - the ratings agencies are as responsible for the debt crisis as the banks.
      • Joaquin Gash 3 months ago
        These people will be amongst the first 'Up against the wall' if there is ever a Coup, or Revoloution, they are THE most obnoxious, greedy set you could EVER meet, see what that Bernie Madoff said about one of his colleagues who committed suicide of his scandal, it's all on YouTube.
    • skb  •  Phnom Penh, Cambodia  •  3 months ago
      Did anyone else notice, it mentioned in this colume that Italy payed less in interest in 2010 then the UK but the UK has a AAA rating, DDAAHH, SO Italy & the UK BOTH had AAA RATING'S, SAME repayment plain ?
      Then again most artical's on here do often confuse / conflict with the actual truth ? maybe there comparing 3 year bond's to 10 year bond's but leave this fact out ?????
    • james  •  3 months ago
      And still the overseas aid budget is rising - now £11 billion pounds a year, to countries that are in much better economic situations than ours. This government have also pledged to increase this figure to £14-15 billion a year over the next five years.

      Taxpayers money being spent like it grows in trees. We need the politicians in this country to resign out of shame - if you do not like the situation stop voting for the LibLabCon, the parties are all the same and protect the same elite club.

      We need real change politically, and a political system that puts the people of this nation first, not the interests of corporations and bankers.
      • Ross 3 months ago
        VOTE UKIP ! The 3 main parties = Differennt puppet = same puppeteers !
      • Rebel with a cause 3 months ago
        James you appear to be smart but sound stupid... surely you've been around long enough to realize that parlimentary parties are only in it for one thing & one thing only...
        to line their own pockets and to hell with everyone else !
    • Lucy  •  3 months ago
      Who do all these countries ower this money too? Can't we all just get together and do away with them?

      Just in case anyone thinks I am being serious I am just joking!
    • YAWNING HIPPO  •  3 months ago
      'The UK government borrows billions and billions of pounds a year to cover the gap between its spending and its income from taxes.' - so why give money to Africa, India and allow people into the country who contribute NAFF ALL but take thousands out.. The only people who are going to and who are suffering is the BRIT.. DISGRACEFUL
    • B  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      if we stopped paying benefits to all those who were neither born in this country or who have never paid NI then we could save a fortune. Before you all jump on this comment, those EE who work over here send all the money they earn back home so apart from (maybe - if they don't get caught) paying tax they don't even contribute to our economy. Ask youself this, why are they allowed to claim child benefit for children still living in their home country!!!!! Oh and by the way that little gem was set up by the last government as was the winter fuel payments to all EE/ASeekers currently on benefits. How can a woman from Lithuania selling the big issue be entitled to £28,000 a year housing benefit when all I get is £67 a week unemployment!!!!!!!!
    • Glenda14  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      I say Tax The Rich. At the moment Osborne is robbing the poor to pay the rich!
    • Kathy  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      we can afford the olympics though, NOT !!!!!!!!!!
    • DAVID  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      I think that the Rating Agencies are a group of expensive non entities that can cause a great deal of harm.
      If, in the case of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, they should had got off their seats and carried out a sample audits of all the proceedures and processes used, they might have been able to give a reliable rating and saved us from the current financial problems.
      All they seem to do is sit in their office and read a few documents, make a statement of no value and fill their pockets.
      On the same theme the Banks who sold products based on the Rating Agencies ratings should have carried out an audit of the Rating Agency to determine their value

      regards Dave
    • SUSCITO  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      The UK gives away billions of pounds every year. The moment a sad-case appears we can't give them enough. Now tell us how poor we are.............. We don't necsesarily rush to give handouts to our own but to everyone else COME ON DOWN EVERTHINGS FREE. To the outside world BRITAIN MUST LOOK LIKE THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. I don't begrudge anybody ............ but I don't want them to begrude me! IT'S TIME WE GOT SENSIBLE AND PUT OURSELVES ................FIRST, NOT LAST!
    • Malcolm S  •  3 months ago
      Load of crystal ball gazers. Britain won't lose its AAA rating. It is all relative, so we'd have to be doing a lot worse than other countries to be deemed a lower rating. This is just the sort of media announcement that sends stocks diving (nice transaction fees for th ebrokers), and then they will 'rally' again in a couple of weeks (another nice trading fee for your broker ..), it is just the finance boys making more money for themselves.
    • JOHN  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      They MAY do this or POSSIBLY do that or PERHAPS something else. The global economy is standing or falling on the whims of POSSIBILITIES instead of cold hard facts and it narks the hell out of me!!!!!!
    • Andrew  •  Dubai, United Arab Emirates  •  3 months ago
      Am I being too cynical or do Moody’s – an American company raise these issues so that more investment is made on the US stock exchange and they can make huge profits wheeling and dealing on the International currency market
    • Jason  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      i am fed up with having to pay more and more out of my hard earned wage to help cover costs of government incompitence!!get it sorted and stop spending and giving away money that you dont have!!!
    • Tony  •  3 months ago
      never trust a yank
    • John L  •  Novelda, Spain  •  3 months ago
      Just stop all this outgoing aid to third world oil rich countries who we fear will cut our supplies of oil if we dont keep sending them money, its still a buyers market and if they have no buyers they have no income and no monetary aid and in a nutshell they are in #$%$ street, then we can negotiate fair oil prices and keep the aid money were it belongs AT HOME.
    • Doc  •  Poole, England  •  3 months ago
      Why is the USA not being threatened with a downgrade they have twice as much debt per person as the UK.