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Joe Rogan podcast - live: Zuckerberg says bot accounts on platforms are ‘trade-offs all the way down’

·13-min read

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who oversees Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and the Metaverse, is making a surprise appearance as a guest on controversial podcast host Joe Rogan’s latest show.

Replying to a question on bot accounts and controversial content on social media platforms, Mr Zuckerberg said he believes there weren’t going to be “perfect” artificial intelligence systems.

“I think it’s all trade-offs all the way down and you could either build a system overly aggressive and capture a higher per cent of the bad guys but then also by accident take out some number of good guys, or you could be a little more lenient and say the cost of taking out any number of good guys is too high so we’re going to tolerate having just a little bit more bad guys on the system,” he said.

Rogan has been a lightning rod since his Joe Rogan Experience, the world’s most popular podcast, was bought by Spotify in a $100m deal.

Earlier this year Rogan found himself at the centre of controversy when he was accused of spreading Covid-19 misinformation and hosted a guest who claimed that Americans were “hypnotised” into wearing masks and getting vaccines.

Bot accounts and controversial content are 'trade-offs,' says Zuckerberg

06:23 , Vishwam Sankaran

Replying to a question by Rogan on bot accounts and controversial content on social media platforms, Mr Zuckerberg said he believes there weren’t going to be “perfect” artificial intelligence systems.

“I think it’s all trade-offs all the way down and you could either build a system overly aggressive and capture a higher per cent of the bad guys but then also by accident take out some number of good guys, or you could be a little more lenient and say the cost of taking out any number of good guys is too high so we’re going to tolerate having just a little bit more bad guys on the system,” he said.

“I didn’t get into this to basically judge those things. I got into this to design technology that helps people connect,” the Meta chief added.

Zuckerberg denies social media is responsible for US divisions

06:08 , Graeme Massie

ICYMI: “I think there’s probably a media environment issue that predates the internet,” he told Joe Rogan on his podcast.

“Some of the news is so far left and some of it is so far right, there’s all this talk of filter bubbles on the internet, but even predating this, going back to the 70s or 80s, when Fox News and all these other cable and prominant media organisations were established, that’s had a long term effect and people have studied that.”

And he added: “A lot of people want to point to social media as being the primary cause of this, but when you look at how polarization has been rising in the US since before the internet, that makes it very unlikely that social media is the prime mover here.”

A ‘million messages’ that are ‘usually not good’: Mark Zuckerberg details Meta’s rough year on Joe Rogan show

05:04 , Graeme Massie

ICYMI: Each morning when Mark Zuckerberg wakes up, his phone is flooded with a “million messages” and they are “usually not good”, the Meta CEO said in an interview with podcaster Joe Rogan released Thursday.

“People reserve the good stuff to tell me in person, right?” the billionaire Facebook co-founder said on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast. “So it’s like what’s going on in the world that I need to pay attention to? So it’s almost like every day you wake up you are punched in the stomach.”

Josh Marcus has the story.

A ‘million’ bad messages a day: Mark Zuckerberg tells of struggles on Joe Rogan show

Zuckerberg teases Elon Musk over brain computers

04:05 , Graeme Massie

ICYMI: “The super hard part is having a computer give you information straight into your brain,” he said.

“Some people, like Elon, and Neuralink and those companies, that is taking it super far-off and maybe it’ll be ready in a couple of decades,” he said.

“There will probably be interesting use cases in the near term for people with injuries, but normal people in the next 10 to 15 years are not going to want to get something installed in their brain for fun is my guess.

“You want the mature version of that and not have to get your brain chip upgraded next year.”

Zuckerberg says he ‘sees' people every day

03:01 , Graeme Massie

ICYMI: “You will never be able to do all things you can do in person but you will be able to do more and more. You will be able to work remotely, live wherever you want, and show up in any place, that is going to be pretty awesome,” said Zuckerberg.

Rogan said no one would ever want to be in an office again if that was the case.

“Being present with people and feeling a sense of presence is pretty important,” added Zuckerberg about having staff in an office.

He then told Rogan he physically sees people “almost every day.”

“I see people in person almost every day, sometimes I probably do more meetings at my house now than I would do before, but I do think that seeing people in person and having that sense of presence makes a big difference.

Rogan said that people preferred to work from home after the pandemic.

“Oh yeah, I agree with that too. Our company is pretty forward leading about remote work, some types of work, like software engineering you can do from many kinds of places. I have this thing where I will be in zone-flow concentration and my wife will ask me some basic question and I lose my flow, and from her perspective, it is not a big deal, but that is not how it works”.

Mark Zuckerberg reacts to memes calling him a robot on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast

02:08 , Graeme Massie

Mark Zuckerberg laughed off Congress “robot” memes as he drank a glass of water for Joe Rogan to prove he is human.

The controversial podcast host teased the Meta CEO about how stiffly he had drunk a glass of water when he appeared before Congress in 2021, which sparked a string of memes about the billionaire.

Mark Zuckerberg reacts to memes calling him a robot on The Joe Rogan podcast

Mark Zuckerberg’s interview with Joe Rogan was one of the most excruciating things I’ve ever seen

01:30 , Graeme Massie

For someone who invented social media, Facebook’s founder Mark Zuckerberg did not appear a big fan of the monster he helped create during an excruciating interview with Joe Rogan.

More details below.

Mark Zuckerberg’s interview with Joe Rogan was excruciating to watch

Zuckerberg laughs off ‘robot’ Congress memes

Thursday 25 August 2022 23:45 , Graeme Massie

Joe Rogan teased the Meta CEO about how stiffly he had drunk a glass of water when he appeared before Congress in 2018.

“I don’t like the way you sip water though, you sipping water at the Senate, you were sipping water like a robot,” Rogan joked on the three-hour Spotify podcast, and asked Zuckerberg to take a proper drink.

Zuckerberg laughed and took a swig of water from a cup, before defending himself.

“The Senate testimony is not exactly an environment that is set up to accentuate the humanity of the subject,” Zuckerberg said.

“If you’re up there for six or seven hours you’re going to make some face that is worth making a meme out of.”

 (Spotify)
(Spotify)

Mark Zuckerberg says he doesn’t have the time for Facebook: ‘There aren’t enough hours in the day’

Thursday 25 August 2022 22:50 , Graeme Massie

Facebook creator Mark Zuckerberg says that he does not have time to use social media platforms.

The Meta CEO was asked on Joe Rogan’s Spotify podcast if he limited his own use of social media and if he tightly controlled his daughters’ access to it.

Mark Zuckerberg says he doesn’t have the time for Facebook

Zuckerberg criticises Twitter over Hunter Biden story

Thursday 25 August 2022 21:38 , Graeme Massie

“A lot of people were still able to share it,” Zuckerberg said of The New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. “We got a lot of complaints that that was the case.

“This is a hyper-political issue, so depending on what side of the political spectrum, you either think we didn’t censor enough or censored it way too much, but we weren’t as black and white about it as Twitter,” the tech boss said.

Zuckerberg says that 3.5bn people use Meta’s platforms

Thursday 25 August 2022 21:03 , Graeme Massie

He told Rogan that “there is always stuff to work on” and that he had to “maintain control” of his time so he was not just reacting “to things that people throw at me.”

“You could spend all your time reacting to that but what creates the ability to be successful long term is carving out the time that is proactive, that is both taking care of yourself and being physical and getting out there and spending time with my family and my girls,” he said.

Zuckerberg says he wakes up to ‘a million messages’ and ‘its usually not good'

Thursday 25 August 2022 20:51 , Graeme Massie

“My sort of day is, you wake up in the morning look at my phone, get a million messages that have come in, its usually not good,” he told Rogan.

“People reserve the good stuff to tell me in person, right? So it’s like what’s going on in the world that I need to pay attention to? So it’s almost like every day you wake up you are punched in the stomach.

“Then it’s like okay, well f**k, what do I need to do to go and reset myself and be productive and not stressed by this? How do I do that? I basically read I take in all the information and then go and do something physical for an hour or two and reset myself.

“I used to run a lot but the problem is you can think a lot when you are running, the last few years I have gotten into things that require full focus.”

Zuckerberg says he does not have time for social media

Thursday 25 August 2022 20:39 , Graeme Massie

He was asked by Rogan if he limited his time on social media, or if he controlled his children’s access to it.

“Me personally I am just doing so many things that in practice that there are not (enough) hours in the day,” he said.

“My kids, I have not really had to think about it quite as much as they are pretty young, six and five, so they use it. I want them to use technology for different things, I teach them how to code, it is an outlet of creativity.

“Max likes building things and Augie thinks of it as art. I try to do bedtime with them religiously each night. I ask them what activity they want to do, read, or wrestle, and Augie says she wants to do code art, she thinks of it as making the computer make art.

“It is good for them to get that exposure, everything you are doing on a computer or screen is not the same. are you engaging with someone, building relationships, or just consuming?

“If you are just sitting there and consuming stuff, it is not bad, but it is not associated with the benefits you get for actively engaging with people and building relationships.”

He added that he does a “bunch of messaging” but that he does not watch much TV as it puts him in “a weird mental state”

Zuckerberg says company spending $10bn on research this year

Thursday 25 August 2022 20:09 , Graeme Massie

“You go across all these things and it this incredibly wide amount of technology that needs to get built,” he said.

Surfing during the pandemic in Kauai, Hawaii

Thursday 25 August 2022 20:01 , Graeme Massie

“I spent a lot of time down in Kauai early on. I got really into surfing and hydrofoiling and I would get up early and go and do that and then be really refreshed for my day of meetings,” he said. “That is not something I could do in Palo Alto.”

Zuckerberg admits he “hates” sitting at his desk

Thursday 25 August 2022 19:45 , Graeme Massie

“I hate sitting in front of my desk, I feel that if I’m not active I’m just wasting away,” he said as he predicted that VR headsets could change fitness regimes and said he enjoyed playing boxing games.

“My energy level and mood and how I interact with the world is based on...its so physical. I don’t believe we are just brains in a body, our physical being and actions we take there are as much of kind the experience of being human.”

Metaverse aiming for glasses not VR headset

Thursday 25 August 2022 19:33 , Graeme Massie

“You want them to be a normal-looking pair of glasses,” he added saying they were working on “waveguide” technology that could be made out of plastic or glass.

He predicted that in five years they could be doing the interview using AI glasses and a hologram version of the Facebook boss would be talking to Rogan.

“So few of the physical things we have in the world don’t need to be physical. chairs and food need to be physical, but most entertainment, like TVs, don’t need to be physical, it will just be an app on your wall and you will snap your fingers and a hologram of a TV will appear.”

Fully immersive VR suit?

Thursday 25 August 2022 19:27 , Graeme Massie

“I think there will be opprortunities to wear things to augment the experience further,” said Zuckerberg, highlighting gloves the company is working on that will allow the user to “feel” objects.

“But I want to design this where you do not need to do that. You don’t want a set-up where you have 10 pieces. Ultimately people will want versions of this they can bring around, take on anairplane, in the office or in a coffee shop.”

Zuckerberg says new Metaverse equipment coming

Thursday 25 August 2022 19:25 , Graeme Massie

The tech entrepreneur told Rogan that the new equipment was being released in October and that it would allow avatars to mimic users facial expressions and allow avatars to make eye contact.

“Virtual reality really convinces your brain you are there. You have to convince your brain that this isn’t real and that you are not actually there,” he said.

 (Spotify)
(Spotify)

Mark Zuckerberg makes surprise appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast

Thursday 25 August 2022 19:18 , Graeme Massie

This is a live blog covering the Meta CEO’s three-hour appearance on Joe Rogan’s Spotify podcast.