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Porsche Automobil Holding SE (POAHY)

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  • D
    Dr
    why don't they list this company in the nasdaq or Dow?
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    Armageddon
    I need Porsche to hit $20.00
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    Mana
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    Sir John T
    As the pros say, this is a stock hiding in plain sight. We own a substantial position and "get" what they are doing to become a force in EVs......
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    James
    Porsche is a better value play .. a PE of 3.89 21.5bil market cap .. RACE PE of 42.12 and 42.50bil market cap .. if the IPO comes out @ 75 bil . then onc can do the math .. our SP will be much higher than $7
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    Michael
    So i just bought POAHY today and i read that Porsche might have an IPO. If that happens, what happens to this POAHY stock?
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    smb_gt
    Disappointing that Porsche (and others) haven't been able to engineer EV tech that outperforms Tesla. That said, I believe Porsche builds the best all-round vehicles in the world. Performance, reliability, comfort, desirability...from everyday drivers to track cars. And for what you get compared to other vehicles, Porsche prices are relative bargains.
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    James
    * Porsche CEO to become Volkswagen CEO, but keep old job

    * Some investors critical of this, with Porsche due to IPO

    * They say this adds to corporate governance worries (Adds details from source on IPO)

    By Victoria Waldersee and Ilona Wissenbach

    BERLIN/FRANKFURT, July 25 (Reuters) - Volkswagen investors believe incoming CEO Oliver Blume will struggle to lead both the Volkswagen Group and Porsche - and to pull off a planned listing of the sports car maker while wearing both hats.

    Friday's announcement that group CEO Herbert Diess would be replaced by Porsche boss Blume has rekindled investor concerns about corporate governance problems at Europe's top carmaker, which some shareholders have said weigh on the stock's performance.

    "Blume can't take care of everything ... this underscores the bad corporate management at Wolfsburg," said Ingo Speich, head of sustainability and corporate governance at top-20 Volkswagen investor Deka Investment, referring to the German carmaking group's headquarters.

    "It is poison for the Porsche IPO," Speich added. Volkswagen plans to list the luxury cars division in the fourth quarter.

    Porsche AG may already have to go public at a steep discount if it decides to go ahead with the listing as economic obstacles mount, Reuters reported last week.

    Those concerns have been exacerbated by questions over how Blume can manage his dual role.

    "Mr Blume will maintain his role as CEO (of Porsche AG) including after a possible IPO," Volkswagen said on Monday in response to Reuters' questions.

    Diess, meantime, will fulfil his contract that runs until October 2025 but in an advisory capacity, a person familiar with the matter said.

    Just days before his appointment was announced, Blume and other Porsche AG executives speaking at its capital markets day sold a possible listing of the sports car brand as a means to give it more independence and entrepreneurial freedom while raising funds for the group.

    His dual role calls that independence into question, analysts at Stifel and UBS said.

    "Such a double mandate can only exist temporarily in an emergency situation - it won't work in the long term," said Ulrich Hocker of the German Association for the Protection of Securities (DSW), which represents retail investors.

    Still, most do not at this stage expect a delay to the listing. Some, including car industry veteran Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer speculated Porsche finance chief Lutz Meschke may eventually take over from Blume at the sports car brand.

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    A person familiar with the matter said it would take a couple more weeks to see what the management changes really meant for the IPO, adding Blume would fill both roles for the foreseeable future.

    "We trust Blume with the management of the Group, but it is hard to imagine that he will be able to fulfil the dual role of managing the interests as CEO of Porsche AG and the Volkswagen Group in the long term," said Hendrik Schmidt, corporate governance expert at asset manager DWS.

    Schmidt said that one reason for what he described as problematic decisions was the lack of independent members on Volkswagen's supervisory board. According to Eikon, DWS owns around 2% of Volkswagen's preference stock.

    In its statement on Friday, Volkswagen did not outline any succession planning for Blume at Porsche.

    Volkswagen's share price has nearly halved since March 2021, underperforming a 17% drop in the STOXX Europe 600 Automobiles & Parts Index over the same period.

    The carmaker answers to a complex web of investors - its supervisory board controlled by workers' representatives and regional government, and a holding company owned by the Porsche and Piech families, staffed in part with Volkswagen executives.

    Porsche AG's Meschke is on the board of Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Volkswagen's top shareholder and owner of more than half its voting rights, while Volkswagen's chairman Hans Dieter Poetsch is its CEO.

    Tensions over who pulls the strings in Wolfsburg have spelled the end of the road for several Volkswagen executives before Diess, with former CEO Bernd Pischetsrieder and former VW brand chief Wolfgang Bernhard forced out of their jobs in the late 2000s after repeated clashes with the works council.

    While Diess is largely given credit for Volkswagen's pivot to electrification - lifting the carmaker from the reputational ruin of the Dieselgate scandal to leading Europe's electric car market - the governance issues caused by his confrontational approach to leadership ultimately weighed on the investment case, analysts at Stifel Europe Equity Research said.

    "Poor corporate governance makes many investors shy away," Janne Werning, who heads ESG Capital Markets & Stewardship at Union Investment, a top-10 shareholder in Volkswagen, said at the carmaker's annual general meeting (AGM) last year.

    Union Investment, which repeated its criticism of Volkswagen's governance at the most recent AGM in May, declined to comment for this article. (Report
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    Khun JT
    PORSCHE SE is a great value. It was around $11 USD 12 months ago. Now it is under $7. It is still one of the premier auto companies. With component shortages it has suffered along with the rest of the auto industry. PORSCHE SE is the holding company controlled by the PORSCHE FAMILY. It does not make anything. It is a holding company and only owns stock in companies. However it does have a say in the operations at VW. It primarily owns controlling interest in VW that owns VW, AUDI, BENTLY, PORSCHE, LAMBORGHINI, BUGATTI, SEAT, SCOTA, MAN, SCANIA & DUCATI. PORSCHE SE also has interests in seven other tech related companies that are considered short term investments.
    If we are intact heading into a recession then we may see POAHY go lower. However the current price is still a worthwhile place to start a partial position & add more later.
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    Chris
    This stock doesn’t move - thinking about selling. Anyone else?
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    Armageddon
    Maybe Porsche will take off after the spin off because investors will better understand the stock
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    Owen
    I’m 16 years old, should I invest in Porsche for long term holding ?
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    James
    Porsche: More Attractive Now Than BeforeJun 28, 2022 12:05 AM | Porsche Automobil Holding SE(POAHY) | By: Wolf ReportOverall, the upside for Porsche at this juncture is significant. The impact on valuation based on these results is only minor. I'm rolling forward my estimates for Porsche to 2024, with the clear understanding that the company's upside changes significantly if and when the company IPO's it's Porsche stake.If and when that happens, I'm probably going to be investing heavily in the business - because of the upside that I'm going to show you in the next segment.The overall picture that I'm sticking with is that the company, at this time, is quite significantly undervalued here. Looking at the native ticker, the company has lost just north of 30% in less than a year. The average target for this company, based on S&P Global averages, is no less than #$%$105/share, #$%$60/share as a low-range PT and #$%$133/share on the high end. That makes the undervaluation to 63% for S&P Global here. Equity analysts give us a smaller upside, targeting a PT of around #$%$80/share.8 out of 12 analysts have the company at a "BUY" or "Outperform" here. That's a significant increase from the last set of targets, even if the company has been sub-#$%$100/share for over a year at this point. However, this is the first time for some time it's been sub-#$%$75/share.At this point and this valuation, I'm sticking to my "BUY" target. I also think it's high time that investors look over Porsche to see what it might offer you - because at this valuation, there's a lot to like about the company.
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    Apache
    The big bummer is that you dont invest directly into Porsche buying this stock. You buy a share of the Porsche Holding SE which holds the most of the Porsche AG. You basically invest into an Investor.
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    Zoso
    What is likely to happen POAHY stock if Porsche goes public later this year? Are these going to remain independent or would shareholders in POAHY be converted to the new Porsche IPO stock? Or could POAHY be left as is, meaning that it's current price and dividends would be essentially status quo for the foreseeably future?
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    Richard
    I think there are delaying the ipo for two major reasons. 1. The market is horrible so they won’t get the market cap they want. 2. The war in Ukraine.
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    James
    the hangover is there is no rush on Porsche .. we are all awaiting word and confirmation regarding the anticipated IPO ... but it seems we have time

    So What About Investing Now?
    Our only source of information about the Porsche IPO is the two company boards, so we don’t expect that it will happen fast. Therefore, we have plenty of time to analyze the potential of the upcoming IPO.

    The reason for such a move could be Volkswagen’s inability to sponsor its own initiatives. Since the announcement of the whole electric vehicle direction, the company now needs vast funds to invest in R&D including self-driving technology. But because of a difficult corporate structure there are only two ways Volkswagen can raise funds: by issuing bonds or by investing its cash flow.

    Taking Porsche for an IPO is a great alternative to raise funds. The auto manufacturer has been growing in terms of volume and sales for a long time due to its remarkable quality, prestige and brand recognition. While Porsche’s 301,900 sales only make up 3.5 per cent of the Volkswagen Group’s 8.6 million sales in 2021, the profit margin from cars is so high that it constitutes 11% of the group sales.

    Porsche also cares about the ecological trend and unveiled plans to produce a fully electric version of the Macan by the end of the year.

    With that being said, the Porsche car itself is a good investment because luxurious cars with the current inflation are typically sold at the same price they were bought for. But of course buying stocks is cheaper and can bring profits much faster, so we are really looking forward to the Porsche IPO.‍
    Porsche itself is not a publicly traded company yet. However, it’s a part of Volkswagen Group, a public company whose shares you can buy on European stock exchanges. Now the boards of two auto manufacturers are discussing details of the upcoming IPO and according to their statements Porsche might go public later in 2022.

    How much is Porsche worth?
    The current valuation of the luxury automaker ranges between $71 billion to $142 billion. The final valuation will be done during the IPO and then we’ll have to look at the market cap, which depends on the stock price.
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    stazz
    has anyone received the dividend yet?