The X Change Rate: Cheyenne Jackson

In "The X Change Rate," award-winning drag queen, entertainer and TV personality Monét X Change brings her signature wit, heart and style to BUILD Series. This week, Monét talked to Cheyenne Jackson, who stars in "Equal," the new HBO Max LGTBQ+ docuseries, music artist Kylie Sonique Love and Pam Wiznitzer for a special Halloween edition of Cocktails with Pam.

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MONET X CHANGE: Hey, y'all. It's your girl Monét, and welcome back to "The X Change Rate," a talk show where, for me, personally, the only difference between harassment and flirting is about a million dollars--

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--right? Am I right? Am I right, Patti? As you can tell, we're getting real spooky-ooky-ooky today because this weekend is Halloween! And what better way to usher in the holiday weekend than with a cocktail from the delicious Pam?

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And later, we're chatting with the ever, ever, ever-so-charming Cheyenne Jackson! Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But first, let's get up in the game! I want echoes on that. (ECHOING) Echoes, echoes, echoes!

So this past weekend, I was in the studio all weekend 'cause I'm working on my album that's coming spring 2021. I know I've been teasing an album forever-- teasing to the five of you that care. But it's been a really-- it's been a really, really dope process. I have-- really have some really dope music coming out, right, Patti?

PATTI CASH: I agree.

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm. I don't pay him to say that. He just know what's up. And also, if you want a tutorial on this look, it is going to be live on my YouTube channel tomorrow at 12:00 Eastern, 9:00 Pacific-- specific? Pacific. And yeah, we haven't-- I haven't seen y'all for over a week, and some really great things have been popping off. I feel really weird doing this. They probably can't even see my eyes, right? I just look like I'm just looking (SINGING) into the unknown!

But Adele was on "SNL" last week. And bitch, she looked so good. And Adele has always had, like, a really stunning face. Like, her face is-- literally look like it's carved from, like, Greek porcelain. She's stunning. And no, Adele doesn't look better 'cause she lost weight. But obviously, Adele has been trying really hard to, like, go for, you know, this new look. And she looked incredible.

She was also really funny. I cannot count how many celebrities that you think are going to be fierce going to "SNL," and then later on, you're like, girl, that was not the tea. Adele was amazing. I mean, so funny. So good. She sang for us. The voice is still [INAUDIBLE] know she had that vocal node surgery. And sometimes, you know, going to school for music, I can tell you, they, like, tell you that you-- oh, I'm going to put this in the sink.

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Yeah! I won, like, a little rimshot. That was good. I nailed it. But you know, sometimes you go in for, like, that vocal surgery, and it does not come out good. But she sounds great. And she's-- she has an album coming out. She working on her album.

I was talking to one of my music friends, and they were saying Adele is one of a handful of artists that goes diamond. Like, diamond used to be, like, a thing back in the day when, like, you had, like, physical CDs and records. No one goes diamond. The most you hear is, like, platinum. Adele goes diamond, bitch. She's making diamond. So can't wait for that to come out.

Another thing that happened next week was-- last week-- was Wendy Williams. Her episode last Friday-- did y'all see it? Girl, now, I love Wendy Williams. I have been a big-- I used to be a big Wendy Williams fan back in the day. And I kind of fell off a little bit, but I still watch her show here and there, and I catch it sometimes.

Episode on Friday, she went back to that old, like, Wendy, like, "vacant behind the eyes," like, doesn't look super present. And I'm, like, worried for Wendy, you know? Obviously, Wendy is a cash cow. She gets a lot of views for her stuff. And you know, she is Wendy Williams, like, one of the biggest names in daytime. And people speculate that her crew is just, like, letting her carry on. They're like, girl, let's go ahead and make this money while we can before, you know, whatever.

And her old DJ, DJ Boof, who she was talking about all the time, who-- I don't know if she got fired or if he got-- if he quit, but he was saying no one cares about her over there. Wendy obviously is helping. No one's helping her. So positive vibes to Wendy Williams. Hope she gets better soon. And Wendy [INAUDIBLE] so good. She's so problematic sometimes. Don't get me wrong. But it's still so good. She's so funny. Naomi [INAUDIBLE] Naomi-- I almost said Naomi Campbell. Naomi Smalls is clicking. And last but not least, fuck Felicity Huffman.

But besides that, let's talk about the real story, which is Quibi. Quibi, Quibi, Quibi, Quibi. Y'all remember when Quibi-- they thought Quibi was going to be, like, the next thing, like, the next Netflix, the next Hulu, like, the next major thing. And bitch, they just went belly up. They're gone. Quibi is gone. Quibi quit. They're finito. Finished. Done.

What I didn't know is that they raised $1.7 billion for Quibi, like, when they were, like, starting up and trying to get the funds. They made $1.7 billion. That is a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of money. They launched in April, and they had a big buildup. I remember seeing, like, things-- like, ads for it on Twitter, on Facebook, and stuff like that. So they were really pushing a promotion. They have lots of big celebrities doing shows on there, too. If you remember Sasha Velour, Sasha Velour had her whole "NightGowns" show that was shot for Quibi.

And I think the problem with Quibi was what they were selling. They were, like, selling, like, short-form videos. I have the thumbs off so I can do things like open my Prosecco. And they were selling, like, quick bites, big stories. So like, you'd watch, like, a-- there were, like, show-- like, full-series shows that were going to be in, like 10-minute chunks-- like, 10-minute episodes, which, in theory, sounds stupid.

I was never sold on the Quibi thing. I'm like, 10 minutes is just the right amount of time for, like-- to watch, like, a viral trailer of videos, you know what I mean? But not for, like, an episode. The shortest I think I would watch an episode, and is the standard, is 21 minutes. Is that because we're accustomed to that? I don't know. But "Schitt's Creek" is, like, 23 minutes, and I think that's super short. I'm like, as-- once the episode starts, it's already done. I'm like-- but they do it so well, it doesn't-- you don't really care. But 10 minutes was just too short.

And Reese Witherspoon's big multimanager guy, like, quit his job to be, like, the talent scout for Quibi. And yeah, they're done. Like, they were banking on, like, commuters to use their stuff-- like, people who ride on trains, people who get on buses-- like, so you could, like, watching it on your phone. But we're all in quarantine. We're all at home, so we're all watching [INAUDIBLE] hour.

Everyone has big flat-screen TVs now. You're watching TV on your flat screen. Or now you have these big-ass fucking iPads that are literally the size of a toddler. Like, you're watching TV on that. You're not watching it on your little phone.

But in their one, like, couple months of having content, they got, like, two Emmy wins for that Laurence Fishburne show. What is it called? "#FreeRayshawn." And they got, like, 10 Emmy nominations. So in terms of, like, you know, Emmys and stuff, they did good. But I guess a lot of people weren't watching.

And it's just-- I feel bad for them. They had to let go of 200 employees. And yeah. But you know, small-- startup businesses fail all the time, so Quibi is not on their own. But they're definitely the biggest in a long time. And so hopefully they get some of that $1.7 billion. I know when you're thinking of promoting a show and a brand, $1.7 billion doesn't stretch far, you think?

PATTI CASH: I mean--

MONET X CHANGE: That's a lot of money. [INAUDIBLE]--

PATTI CASH: But even if you--

MONET X CHANGE: --a billion dollars.

PATTI CASH: If you count, like, building space, like, plus the employees, plus-- it's not--

MONET X CHANGE: And paying th-- yeah.

PATTI CASH: That's probably the most expensive.

MONET X CHANGE: Right, the talent [INAUDIBLE].

PATTI CASH: I mean, Nicole Richie had to be-- I mean--

MONET X CHANGE: She had a show on there?

PATTI CASH: She was--

MONET X CHANGE: The "Casper" girl?

PATTI CASH: --rap-- no, not Nicole. Nicole-- Nicole Richie.

MONET X CHANGE: Scherzinger.

PATTI CASH: Nicole Richie.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, Richie.

PATTI CASH: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, you were thinking Christina Ricci.

PATTI CASH: I was thinking Christina Ricci when I said Nicole. And this happened before--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm.

PATTI CASH: --when somebody told me about this. And so Nicole has, like, a show on Quibi. And she basically does these music videos where she, like, raps about crystals. [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh my gosh. She's one of those crystal bitches. I can't-- I can't prescribe to that lifestyle.

PATTI CASH: It's really wild. She's like, rose quartz, diamonds, [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: No, no, no, no. I don't want any of it. I don't want any of it.

PATTI CASH: So maybe that was their downfall.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. [INAUDIBLE] what's something that I do want to watch, bitch, is the new "Borat" movie. The new "Borat" movie is out, and I have heard how funny and good it is. The first one-- honestly, the first "Borat" came out in 2006. It is one of my all-time favorite movies. It was so funny [INAUDIBLE] because in 2006, I was what? I was 16 then. Maybe I was naive, but I thought that the entire thing was really.

And I think a lot of it is real. Obviously, you have to hire actors. But in my brain [INAUDIBLE] think that way. But I fucking love the first one. I heard the second one is really great. And fucking dirty, crusty Rudy Giuliani is making a cameo in a very negative way. So [INAUDIBLE] of a big scandal in the movie.

Trump and his goons-- they just cannot keep their shit together. Like, they're just a me-- I just feel like they're just, like, a really exaggerated version of the Three Stooges. I feel like they're all just running around the White House bumping into shit, knocking shit over, just a me-- I feel like they're just a mess over there.

So back in July, he had reported to "Page-- he had-- "Page Six" reported-- which, by the way, did you know that the "New York Post," a.k.a. "Page Six," endorsed Trump on their fucking thing? Like, [INAUDIBLE] the thing, Make America Great Again Again. That was their top headline? Ew. Ew, ew, ew. I knew I loved the "Daily News." Wait, are they-- is the "Daily News" Republican, too? Are they conservative? If they're not, I like them. If they are, fuck them, too.

But yeah, [INAUDIBLE] so just a little sidebar for you, they reported that he called the police after he was pranked by Sacha Baron Cohen, a.k.a. Borat. So this is what happened. So in the footage in the film, it shows Giuliani-- Rudy Giuliani-- laying on the bed in a hotel room, and his hands are in his pants, and-- while an actress who's playing Borat's underage niece? Oh, teenage daughter-- is standing in front of him.

So by any account-- again, I have not seen it. But from what I'm reading, that just does not sound right. Like, why would you ever-- someone who is, you know, so, like, high up as him be in that predicament in any situation, you know what I mean? It's just fucking weird.

And-- but that's not the only thing he's making headlines for. It's, of course, his transphobic comments, because Trump people-- they can't help themselves but be problematic in every way, shape, or form. So when he was describing it, he said this. "This guy comes running in"-- 'cause Borat runs in to the scene, like, in, like, a crazy outfit. He says, "this guy comes running in wearing a crazy, what I would say was a pink transgender outfit. It was a pink bikini with lace underneath a translucent mesh top. It looked absurd."

Like, why call it a transgender outfit? That just goes to, like, what his mind thinks of trans women, of what they would-- I don't know. It's just really icky and gross. And he goes on to say-- and like, he-- and he made it very explicit. Like, wait, wait, wait. But just so you know, like, I wasn't attracted to him.

Any time a straight cis-gender person feels the need to be like, but wait, I wasn't-- like, I didn't, like, like it, to me, that is such a big red flag, 'cause why do you feel the need to say, but just so you know, I don't like it? Like, just live your fucking life. If you did, you did. If you didn't, you didn't.

But when you find the need to, like, vocalize it and say, just so you know, I didn't like that thing that he was wearing. I didn't think it was hot. It wasn't sexy-- to me, that's a red flag. And it's latent homose-- like, you know, a projection of something that he maybe was attracted to. Maybe it's something he did like. When you feel the need to over-- what's the word? Over--

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PATTI CASH: Overcompensate.

MONET X CHANGE: Overcompensate-- to let everyone know that you didn't like it. Thank you. Thank you.

PATTI CASH: You're welcome.

MONET X CHANGE: But now he's in the media saying that that's not what happened. Borat is a liar. You watch the film. It is streaming on Amazon Prime. I'm going to watch it tonight without Patti 'cause I don't want him in my business. And yeah, I'm going to watch it tonight and see exactly what went down. And you guys-- y'all watch it, too, and we'll talk about it next week on the show.

By the way, just so y'all know, when I was telling y'all about my crazy neighbor last week, this is the note that I put on my door to let that motherfucker know, don't try it. And it's been on my door. And it's, like, the talk of my building. I wanted to put it on the-- 'cause my building has, like, glass doors [INAUDIBLE]. I wanted to put it on the glass door out there. But my-- the police said I should not do that because then that could be viewed as me being a threat-- like, issuing a threat whatever.

And then I wanted to put it on-- by the mailbox. And my super said, you can-- you're not allowed to do that. So I resorted to putting it on my door. I should fucking make photocopies and put it on all the trees on my block and put it all up and down the block so that-- so I know that he sees it. I want to make sure that he sees it. That's my goal.

Anyway, the last story I want to talk about is Iggy Azalea. Iggy Azalea-- she's single again, girl. If y'all remember, a couple of months ago, back in July, she was on the-- well, not this past July, a year ago July-- she was on "The X Change Rate." And I asked about this big-ass rock on her finger. I was like, girl, what's that about? Are you single? And she was like, [INAUDIBLE].

Now, to be fair, she never said that she was engaged. I just assume, if you have a big-ass diamond on your finger-- on your ring finger-- that you're engaged, and that was, like, a thing. But I guess kids do that these days. They ju-- which, I mean, I guess I would wear a diamond on my finger if I wasn't engaged to my partner and he gave it to me. Like, I'm not opposed to that. But that's what I thought. You know straight people are fucking weird. Anyway.

PATTI CASH: Mm-hmm. If someone gives me, like, a diamond ring-- like, a diamond, like, ring ring-- and they're just like, oh, no. I just got it for you to wear, I'd be like, oh.

MONET X CHANGE: I mean, it depends on-- OK, I--

PATTI CASH: [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: I say that it depends on how deep we are. If we've been together for five years, I would wear it on my finger. But he's like, bitch, I ain't marrying you [INAUDIBLE] marry you-- which, I don't even know if I want to get married. But anyway, that's beside the point.

Anyway, so yeah, her-- the boy is-- the boy-- the guy's name is Playboi Carti. He's 24. She's-- do you know Iggy Azalea's 30 years old? In my mind, I thought she was, like, 22 or 23. Maybe I'm just crazy. I guess I thought she got into the game when she was, like, 16. I thought she was one of those girls. But she's fully 30 years old. She looks great, by the way. She just [INAUDIBLE] I haven't watched the video yet. But I love, love, love her.

I have a story about Iggy Azalea, but I'm going to save it for my book. Y'all know I'm writing a book. I'm going to save it for that. I like-- I love Iggy Azalea. She's dope. She's dope. She's dope. She's dope. Anyway, yeah, apparently, she caught him cheating on her with multiple strippers. They live in Atlanta, which-- Atlanta-- no, Portland-- Portland is the city that has the most strip clubs per capita, but Atlanta has a lot of strip clubs, too.

And Friday, on her Instagram story, she was really vague. She said this. "People take loyalty for granted. That's why I'd rather be alone. You lost a real one." I love the term "a real one." It's just such a nice hood term that tells you, like, who you is. Man, he was a real one. Like, if somebody's a real one-- like, Patti-- Patti's a-- well--

PATTI CASH: You-- it is on social media. You done called me a real one [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Did I? For what?

PATTI CASH: You did, for my birthday.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh. Yeah, [INAUDIBLE] on Friday. And the next day day is Saturday, she said this, 'cause she knew it was vague. She said, "I was referring to this. What I meant last night was that I'm raising my son alone, and I'm not in a relationship." She just had a baby back in July. And they had an agreement between them that they were going to keep the baby, like, private and, like, not post it.

Celebrities are so obsessed with keeping their kids private. I don't get it. I guess, for them, it's 'cause the child can't choose. But if you're a celebrity baby-- like, if you're Blue Ivy Carter, if you're Beyoncé's kids, if you're Apple, Gwen Stefani's fucking kids-- what a name-- you-- people are going to-- you're a person out in the world.

Which, by the way, did you-- there's this video of Sasha Obama. Which one is the younger one? Sasha. Sasha Obama. Sasha Obama was in this video, I mean, with nails longer than mine, like, with this finger. You know this. This is hood-- this is reserved for hood bitches only. It's [INAUDIBLE]. She's like [INAUDIBLE] the video. I was like, [INAUDIBLE]!

And I was with my friend. My friend was like, she can't do that. I'm like, why can't she do that? She's probably, what, 19? 18? Like, just because her father was Barack Obama, her mom is Michelle Obama, she's a young person living in this world. Let her live. Let her, like, do her thing.

I was literally-- I'm going to try to find the video and put it on my social media 'cause I was literally in my-- I was on my bed. You know, at 2 o'clock in the morning, you have the phone up like this. I was-- I was like, [INAUDIBLE] fucking thing fell [INAUDIBLE] almost gave me a goddamn black eye.

But Sasha Obama is literally living her best hood bitch life, and I live. I can't wait for her to drop us a full-body bikini top moment. Like, you remember the Bush daughters? The Bush girls? They used to be crazy-- drunk, falling out of cars, getting arrested and shit. Let Sasha Obama live her good goddamn life. Amen? But yeah.

Oh my god. The Plastique Tiara thing. OK. So Plastique Tiara has an OnlyFans. Plastique Tiara, you know, is a-- she was on "RuPaul's Drag Race." She was a drag queen. And Plastique has an OnlyFans where she shows her body with I'm guessing breast plates where they edit around to make them-- you know, the body is a body. Her body is so hot-- delicious, beautiful [INAUDIBLE] to give the illusion of breasts. Like, she puts on breast plates, and they edit around them to make them look more real.

And like, she's getting a lot of backlash for it-- people saying she's transbaiting, this, that, and the other. And I'm like, a couple of things to talk about here. A, we don't know what Plastique's identities are. Plastique [INAUDIBLE] trans. Maybe Plastique likes to cross-dress. Again, there's nothing wrong with cross-dressing. People like to stigmatize cross-dressing and make it feel like it's this dirty, nasty thing. There's nothing wrong with cross-dressing.

She might identify on the transvestitism. And like, there's nothing wrong with these things. I think that because these things are not "in vogue" and it's not, like, "the thing" to be a transvestite or a cross-dresser, people still make it seem like it's this nasty, dirty thing. They're, like, chucking it off to that. And I'm like, if-- A, if you-- what just fell? This [INAUDIBLE] fell off my ring? I just done these.

Anyway, if Plastique Tiara wants her OnlyFans, if you prescribe to the OnlyFans, Plastique is not saying that she's a trans woman. She is not falling under a trans woman-- like, and again, I'm not trans, so I can't really speak to it. So I think that, honestly, before I finish my thoughts, we should probably call someone who is-- who identifies as a trans woman to hear their thoughts on it, and we can talk about it together. Let's give that bitch a call.

Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a live, in-studio call from the beautiful, the gorgeous Miss Sonique Love. Sonique, how are you, boo?

SONIQUE LOVE: I'm good. How are you?

MONET X CHANGE: I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. You know, we're sitting here doing this at-home quarantine show. And I'm like, you know, regarding this whole Plastique Tiara deba-- debacle-- debacle, the one person I should call-- because obviously, you're a trans woman. I'm sure--

I shouldn't be talking about it 'cause I am not of a trans experience. So I'm just curious to know what your thoughts are about the whole situation because, I mean, the internet is mad. People are upset at her. They're like, you need to talk, mom. Apologize. Yadda, yadda, ya. How do you feel about the whole thing?

SONIQUE LOVE: Honestly, OK. So I follow Plastique on Instagram, and I seen--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

SONIQUE LOVE: I was like, oh, wow. Is she-- did she get boobs? Like, what's going on here?

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: I seen this photo, and it looks like not a breast plate.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: And I'm like, that's pretty dope. I'm like, trying to figure out how she, like, did that. I-- my initial response to that was not anger. I was like--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --that's sexy.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: But I noticed--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

SONIQUE LOVE: --that there were a lot of people in the community that were super upset. And then this word that I never heard before-- or phrase-- transbaiting started happening. And then everyone just ran with it. They gave it a name, and then they just ran with it. And I'm like, what is going on here? Like, everybody on the internet takes and modifies their pictures to look the way they see themselves whenever they're at-- you know, in drag or whatever.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: And I'm trying to figure out, how is this necessarily putting trans people in danger? Like, I'm trying to grasp--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --that. I believe that everyone's voice matters, and I believe that everyone has the right to feel the way they want to.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: But in my opinion, I didn't see it-- I didn't see any harm in it-- to me. I didn't. I think she's a beautiful person, in and out of drag. And she takes gorgeous photos.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: I mean, her whole thing is, like, being, like, realistic. And--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --you know, she uses the term "biological woman," and like, that's her whole, like, shtick--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --you know? I didn't really feel threatened or in danger. But I mean, I guess some people did?

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: I don't know.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. For me-- I mean, again, I'm [INAUDIBLE] experience. But I think that, you know, Plastique [INAUDIBLE] I mean, I know people of the cross-dresser variety who like to put on whatever it is to feel comfortable when they're having sex or who consider-- who identify as transvestites. And maybe Plastique is just adorning herself with these things as-- 'cause that's how she feels most sexy. That's how she wants to express herself.

And my thing is that I think that things like cross-dressing and things like transvestites are not "in vogue." Like, there's still these things that are shunned, that people are like, oh, that's gross. Keep that, like, under the-- like, in the closet, under the bed. We don't talk about that. And I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that. That is a valid form of self-expression. That is a valid form of an identity. And just because it's not, like-- and just because people aren't talking about it doesn't make it any less valid.

So I'm like, no one knows what Plastique identifies as. She has not come out and talk about it. Now, should she come out and talk about it? That's another thing I-- I'm, like, on the fence about, too, 'cause--

SONIQUE LOVE: No.

MONET X CHANGE: --I'm like, not-- yeah, like [INAUDIBLE]--

SONIQUE LOVE: It's nobody's business.

MONET X CHANGE: It's nobody's business but her own, you know what I mean? And maybe she's not comfortable talking about it yet. And also, maybe she doesn't feel that she has the right words to express herself, and she doesn't want to come off sounding ignorant or harming the community.

So I just feel like that's my whole thing. I'm like, it's no one's business. If that's how she feels sexy, I think-- what I think it mostly is-- I think a lot of people are mad that her Inst-- her OnlyFans is so expensive. And they're like, this girl's making so much money by looking like a trans woman. It's like, well, she never said that that's--

SONIQUE LOVE: No.

MONET X CHANGE: --what she was trying to do--

SONIQUE LOVE: Exactly.

MONET X CHANGE: --you know what I mean? You know? So yeah, [INAUDIBLE].

SONIQUE LOVE: People are insinuating that she is trying to go through the trans experience.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: But honestly, she never states that she is that--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --or that she isn't. And anybody who is a fan of Plastique's knows that she is a drag performer.

MONET X CHANGE: Right.

SONIQUE LOVE: And if you know her as a drag performer, you know her whole, like, you know, thing is about being--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --like, realistic and--

MONET X CHANGE: Right.

SONIQUE LOVE: --and things like that. And anybody who's stupid enough-- not stupid enough, but anybody who wants to spend, what, 20-something dollars to go check out her page, that's up to them. That has--

MONET X CHANGE: Exactly.

SONIQUE LOVE: --nothing to do with anybody else. For all we know, she-- it's just photos, no different--

MONET X CHANGE: Exactly.

SONIQUE LOVE: --than what's on her Instagram. And people will buy anything. So I mean, if she's selling it and they're buying it, why are you mad?

MONET X CHANGE: Exactly. And everyone was saying that, oh, she's taking away from these people. And so let me tell you something. Sex is something-- sex has been here since the beginning of time. Sex will be here till the end. Just because you spend $20 on Plastique doesn't mean you're not going to spend $7 on this girl, or this guy, this-- bitch, let me t-- I spend a lot of money on porn. I am on a lot of OnlyFans [INAUDIBLE]. And just 'cause I spend money on this doesn't mean I'm not-- you see what I'm saying? So I mean-- and I think that's--

SONIQUE LOVE: [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: --a whole different conversation, you know? Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: She's not even-- I don't think she's selling porn, either. She's selling--

MONET X CHANGE: Right.

SONIQUE LOVE: --a fantasy.

MONET X CHANGE: Exactly.

SONIQUE LOVE: And that's what people do when they go to drag shows, is they buy the fantasy. They--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --you know-- I don't know. Like I said, someone has given it a name, called it transbaiting. And now everyone is running. And now they have something-- they named it, and now they can complain about it. And I do think that the people that have an issue with it-- I feel like, you know, if that's how they feel, then that's how they feel. And-- but if you don't like it, don't look at it. And if you can show me where she is putting trans people in danger, then I can understand that. But for me, I don't really see that.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: I don't know. Like, there are-- I mean, I've been on dating apps as a trans woman, and I'll see people who I know don't identify as trans. And maybe they're local drag queens. And they're on those dating apps as TS or whatever. And they're not-- I don't see anybody, you know, being upset about that.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, [INAUDIBLE].

SONIQUE LOVE: [INAUDIBLE] I mean, I know queens who get in drag and sell the fantasy. They really [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

SONIQUE LOVE: No, but I mean, like, a sexual fantasy. But--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --who's to say-- I think it's up to an individual how you enter the circus, you know what I mean? Like--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --what you're--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --going in there for. But--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

SONIQUE LOVE: --you're asking me how I feel about it? Honestly, I think she's gorgeous. She's posting photos of her in drag, out of drag. Everybody photoshops their shit. If these--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --drag queens and trans people are going to get upset about her photoshopping boobs, well, we need to talk about the smoothing of the skin and the blending [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Hello. Talk about it.

SONIQUE LOVE: --wigs, and the tracks, and whatever, you know what I mean? Like--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --there are so many other things that we could be talking about right now, and this is not-- I mean, to me, there's so much more important things going on in the world.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: We need to try to figure out h-- are-- the things that we have in common with each other and stop trying to push ourselves away from each other. We're stronger together than we are apart. And we should listen to each other and not try to condemn when we don't understand. I really-- it bothers me to see a community attack itself. We so desperately want love from the outside, but we have so much work on the inside to do. And this is just silly to be upset about, in my opinion.

MONET X CHANGE: Well, there you have it. Thank you so much, Miss Sonique. Listen, I'm sure that we'll be talking very soon. We're going to get you on the show because I know that you have-- she-- she's in the studio recording projects--

SONIQUE LOVE: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE] let the children have it.

SONIQUE LOVE: Yeah, I love writing music. I love making music videos. I started my second music video, and then quarantine happened. And I--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: --was nervous to start doing that because, you know, everyone-- you know, if you was around two or more people, they're ready to, like, cancel you.

MONET X CHANGE: Girl, attack.

SONIQUE LOVE: And I'm like, uh.

MONET X CHANGE: Yes. Yeah, yeah.

SONIQUE LOVE: So I held off on that. But I think I'm ready to start my second music video.

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

SONIQUE LOVE: But yeah, working on tons of music. And I appreciate you so much. I love your show, always--

MONET X CHANGE: I love you.

SONIQUE LOVE: --watching it. And thank you for having me on here.

MONET X CHANGE: Of course, of course--

SONIQUE LOVE: And--

MONET X CHANGE: --of course. Oh, no--

[INTERPOSING VOICES]

MONET X CHANGE: --the next time you're on here is going to be bigger, fiercer, and, you know-- you know what I mean. Hopefully we're not in this situation, and we can be side by side, [INAUDIBLE] and spilling all the teas.

SONIQUE LOVE: Oh my god. I would love to go to New York and be in that building with you. That would be so fierce.

MONET X CHANGE: Yes, it is. Listen, you stay safe. I know LA is crazy. Stay healthy, and I'll see you soon, OK, babe?

SONIQUE LOVE: All right. Love you, gal.

MONET X CHANGE: Love you, babe.

SONIQUE LOVE: See you soon.

MONET X CHANGE: Muah.

SONIQUE LOVE: Bye.

MONET X CHANGE: Whoo! OK. So for this week's Halloween highlights, I could not let Halloween pass without getting my good girl Pam in on the fun. So let the--

[MUSIC PLAYING]

--special effects commence. And here we go! [LAUGHS MANIACALLY] Pam, hey, girl, hey!

PAM WIZNITZER: Boo! Happy Halloween!

MONET X CHANGE: Pam, this sea-- Pam, [INAUDIBLE] Pam, you-- last year, you really turned it out as "Monet X Change" [INAUDIBLE]. And this year, you're giving us ghost.

PAM WIZNITZER: Of, I'm ghost. OK. No, wait. I'm not a ghost. OK. Ready.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, yes!

PAM WIZNITZER: Oh, wait, no. Like, duh--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh--

PAM WIZNITZER: I'm a mouse.

MONET X CHANGE: --OK, got it. You're a mouse-- a dormouse. I love it.

PAM WIZNITZER: No--

MONET X CHANGE: I love it.

PAM WIZNITZER: I'm a Karen.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, OK. I got it. Like a basic costume, the mou-- I got it. Got it. Got it. Karen--

[INTERPOSING VOICES]

MONET X CHANGE: But honestly, Pam, in real life, you would never be a Karen. You are, like, so far from a Karen, it's--

PAM WIZNITZER: No--

MONET X CHANGE: --not even funny.

PAM WIZNITZER: No, but come on. If we're going to be a Karen, at least be all of our favorite Karens from "Mean Girls." So I was like-- I was like--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh!

PAM WIZNITZER: --I'm going to be [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: OK, OK. I'm such an idiot. I have not seen "Mean Girls" in so long. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

PAM WIZNITZER: Really, I just wanted to wear lingerie on your show. Let's get real for a second.

MONET X CHANGE: Pam, it's been so long. How you doing, girl?

PAM WIZNITZER: I know. I'm good, I'm good. I mean, the weather's getting a little cooler. People are thirsty in lots of ways. So you know--

MONET X CHANGE: Uh-huh,

PAM WIZNITZER: --at this time of year, we're heading into the holiday season. So how are you doing?

MONET X CHANGE: Do you like my costume?

PAM WIZNITZER: I love it. You're giving me some, like, mummy vibes. It's, like, bringing life to death. I'm here for this. [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. I have to say, since you have not been in my life recently because, you know, we're not in studio so we can't [INAUDIBLE] our segment as often as poss-- as we used to, I haven't had any fun, exciting cocktails. I have still been drinking that [INAUDIBLE] rum that you-- that we did last time. I'm kind of like-- where am I on the bottle? [INAUDIBLE] drink-- I've had about three drinks since we last convened. And--

PAM WIZNITZER: This is good.

MONET X CHANGE: I like her. She's great.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah, she's drinking. And listen, in moderation, too-- that's good. But I think it's-- I think we need a new cocktail for you. I think it's that season.

MONET X CHANGE: I'm excited!

PAM WIZNITZER: Ingredients are changing. Yes, I know. I was like, we need a turn-up. It's Halloween. Things--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

PAM WIZNITZER: --are supposed to get weird, right?

MONET X CHANGE: Yes, it is. And I love Herradura. I did--

PAM WIZNITZER: Yes.

MONET X CHANGE: I did a thing-- there's a bar in Hell's Kitchen called Añejo, and they, like-- they have a lot of Herradura tequila.

PAM WIZNITZER: Mm-hmm.

MONET X CHANGE: And I have this, like-- all these Herradura pre-margarita measuring cup things. It's like a glass, but it has, like, all the mar-- where you need to add stuff to make, like, the perfect margarita. And so I love Herradura for that. It's very helpful for a drink idiot like me.

PAM WIZNITZER: Thanks for making it easy, Herradura. Yeah. I mean, that bar is amazing. And also, I love tequila because it's very year-round. I think a lot of people peg it as something that's going to be spring/summer. But what I have to do--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: --is what we call Añejo tequila. And for those who don't know, tequila can be colored gold-- not like the stuff--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: --that made us throw up in college, but the stuff that is aged in barrels. So [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: That Jose Cuervo, girl. Everyone has had a Jose Cuervo night or two-- or five, if you're me--

[INTERPOSING VOICES]

PAM WIZNITZER: --Cuervo moments, right? You never forget--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --your first.

MONET X CHANGE: Uh-huh.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah-huh. So I-- you know, I think it's really fun. And I wanted to bring in a tequila cocktail because when you're going to be together with your friends on Halloween, and if we're together socially distant and responsible, you want to have--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --a little fun and turn up. And I do think tequila will do that. And I do think margarita variations are really easy to do and really delicious. So what we have here is Añejo tequila, which means it's aged between--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --one year and three years in a barrel [INAUDIBLE] even, like, actually open it up and smell it. I love this part.

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: It has a lot of spice notes on it, and I really love that.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: Right?

MONET X CHANGE: That smells good.

PAM WIZNITZER: I know.

MONET X CHANGE: This stuff is shit you drink when you're sick. It makes you feel really good.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah, it does make you feel good with enough drinking of it. So yeah, so listen. You know, I always look-- you know, I like to read the comments just to see if people say types of drinks that they want to learn about. I see the haters out there. I love you, too. But something someone said is. I'd love to see a drink with maybe less than five ingredients. And I said, let's do it. Let's do something that is so simple--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --but really bringing things in seasonally. So we're going to make our little Spooky Pumpkin Margarita [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: I'm into it.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yes. OK. So [INAUDIBLE] have your shaker?

MONET X CHANGE: Uh-huh.

PAM WIZNITZER: Are you snacking?

MONET X CHANGE: I am. I have my Halloween treats here.

PAM WIZNITZER: Ah.

MONET X CHANGE: I've been drinking some p-- eating some peach rings. I love peach rings [INAUDIBLE] one more.

PAM WIZNITZER: I have apple rings. This is great. We'll snack together.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh my god! They're so good. I love them.

PAM WIZNITZER: Mm-hmm. It's always good to snack while you're making a cocktail.

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

PAM WIZNITZER: Mm-hmm.

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: So here for it.

MONET X CHANGE: So--

PAM WIZNITZER: OK. All right. So we're going to get started with making this drink. First thing we're going to do is, actually, we're going to add a little bit of pumpkin spice to it.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh.

PAM WIZNITZER: Listen--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --say what you want. You can make fun of pumpkin spice. But really, it's tasty if you use it correctly, OK?

MONET X CHANGE: I don't think people actually-- people-- now it's just, like, a societal norm to make fun of pumpkin spice people. I don't think people really-- people just be shitting on the white girl with the pumpkin spice. And listen, I get it. I know that girl in college. I was that girl with my little Vera Bradley little wristlets. I've been her. [INAUDIBLE] open this for me. So I get the shitting on the pumpkin spice. But pumpkin spice really is great. The pump-- if you do not like the pumpkin spice latte from Starbucks, you're a sociopath, because it's so fucking good.

PAM WIZNITZER: It's so good. And really, like, let's not hate on it, because these are just the spices that go into pumpkin pie. There's no pumpkin in this, OK? So you're getting your ginger, and your cinnamon, your nutmeg, and your allspice--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh.

PAM WIZNITZER: --OK? So--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --everyone stop with their assumption. This is just adding all those fall time spices to our drink, OK? But in--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --a trendy name, so-- all right. We're going to add one little-- a few little dashes of pumpkin spice. Not too much. Just a little bit. That should be good.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: And--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --that's it. Snap that up and put it to the side. OK. I know you like your drinks tart. Oh, a little bit more. A--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, I just want just a little--

PAM WIZNITZER: I'm Karen right now, so I'm going to add a lot. OK. So the next thing we're going to do is add our lemon juice. We made fresh-squeezed lemon juice. We're going to add an ounce of that--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: --because we do like our drinks nice and tart.

MONET X CHANGE: Now, remind me again. An ounce is if you fill the short one, right?

PAM WIZNITZER: The short side of our jigger. So for those who are following along, again, this is a jigger, which is a measuring device which measures your units of liquid for your drink. So--

MONET X CHANGE: Whoop!

PAM WIZNITZER: --the small side is going to be 1 ounce. The large side's going to be 2 ounces.

MONET X CHANGE: Also, I'm showing everyone my armpits. Yes, I have not shaved all quarantine. Don't judge me. I'm not here for your impossible beauty standards for women, OK? Women have armpit hair, too.

PAM WIZNITZER: That's right. Beauty in all forms. I'm not sure--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --if I even shaved, also. But seriously, beauty in all forms. We accept you the way you are, Monét!

MONET X CHANGE: Yes, girl. Thank you.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yes. Chew on that, everyone. OK. So margaritas are a sour style cocktail. Normally, we use lime juice, triple sec, and tequila. Here, what we're going to do--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

PAM WIZNITZER: --is we're adding lemon juice. And the next thing is going to be our sweetener. So instead of triple sec, we're actually going to add maple syrup, but like, the real stuff.

MONET X CHANGE: Ooh, I love [INAUDIBLE].

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah. This isn't like the Log Cabin kind that you get at store. This is like actual maple syrup [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, so I [INAUDIBLE] my Aunt Jemima? I should have used her?

PAM WIZNITZER: That is a choice right now. You know, I will [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: I won't. I won't.

PAM WIZNITZER: But listen, when you use the real maple syrup, you only need about a half an ounce because it's a lot denser in flavor. So a half an ounce--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: --goes a long way. Yeah. And if you feel like you need--

MONET X CHANGE: Well, I think-- I think Patti-- Patti got this from the Whole Foods, so this the good shit.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah, that's the good stuff. That's, like, the for real, for real. [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: OK, and add that to our mixture.

PAM WIZNITZER: You'll be able to say that it says either grade A or grade B on it. And that's what you want. That's, like, letting you know [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh.

PAM WIZNITZER: --real maple syrup on there. Mm-hmm.

MONET X CHANGE: Well you know, that's like when-- you know when you go to, like, the store, and you get olive oil, olive oil-- that shit is-- honestly, a lot of the olive oil is not the real stuff. It's--

PAM WIZNITZER: Right.

MONET X CHANGE: --really, really [INAUDIBLE]. You have to, like, look at the ingredients. And sometimes-- in olive oil, the first ingredient should be what? Yeah, olives. And there [INAUDIBLE] it's not olives. It's other stuff.

PAM WIZNITZER: Ooh. That's an issue. Yeah, read--

MONET X CHANGE: Girl.

PAM WIZNITZER: --the labels. I mean, I think that's a policy in life, even though we miss that a lot of the times. I wish--

MONET X CHANGE: Right.

PAM WIZNITZER: I wish people had labels, you know? That [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, hun, let me tell you something. People don't got to have labels for me to read them, honey, OK? I'll read you with or without a label.

PAM WIZNITZER: That's fair. Go to the library. Library's open. OK. The last ingredient right now is going to be our tequila. So we have our Añejo--

MONET X CHANGE: Work.

PAM WIZNITZER: --tequila. [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Work.

PAM WIZNITZER: Work. You could do 2 ounces. But it's Halloween. You want to turn up to 2 and 1/2? Get it. I know you could do it.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, 2--

PAM WIZNITZER: [INAUDIBLE]

MONET X CHANGE: OK, the same side. Right.

PAM WIZNITZER: I'm going to add 2 and 1/2.

MONET X CHANGE: 2--

PAM WIZNITZER: It's been a long weekend.

MONET X CHANGE: 1, 2, 3. Could you imagine?

PAM WIZNITZER: 4--

MONET X CHANGE: No, I won't [INAUDIBLE].

PAM WIZNITZER: --5--

MONET X CHANGE: No! No!

PAM WIZNITZER: --6! Incredible. I support your decision-making, Monét. The last thing-- and I know you were getting this started. So something we're going to do before we shake up our drink is we're going to add the garnish, which is going to be a rim that we're going to put on the glass, OK? And either--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --you can put it on the outside, like I'm going to do, or the top of it, which is what you're going to do. What we've made--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --is a rim that has sugar, salt, and some pumpkin spice [INAUDIBLE] just like this. I'll put it up close to the camera so people can see.

MONET X CHANGE: (SINGING) Sugar.

PAM WIZNITZER: [INAUDIBLE] this is where you can get a little bit fun at home. So if you're making this at home, try, like, a dark-brown sugar or a light-brown sugar. You could try a smoked salt, OK? You know, you can add in or heighten some other flavors you might want on the rim. So--

MONET X CHANGE: Do you know what everybody's doing these days? Everyone is doing this pink Himalayan salt. Apparently, like, it's the thing. Everyone's talking about pink Himalayan salt. Pink Himalayan salt.

PAM WIZNITZER: Like this? This stuff?

MONET X CHANGE: Oh my god! You're-- my god! You! Oh my god. You are Karen'ing, pumpkin spicing out on me, Pam.

PAM WIZNITZER: Oh my god. No, take it back. I've been pink Himalayan, like, salting for, like, a-- over a decade. So this isn't anything new for Pam [INAUDIBLE] the world's just catching up, OK? Trend-setting is hard, Monét. Trend-setting's tough. It's a hard way to be. OK--

MONET X CHANGE: Because I want to really spice it up, I'm going to use my favorite-- is it weird to use this glass? 'Cause I really want to rim the whole thing.

PAM WIZNITZER: I love it. No, that's perfect.

MONET X CHANGE: OK. OK, cool.

PAM WIZNITZER: I love that. I'm going to use this glass right here. And so to show you right now, I'm sure we've been to those bars where, like, they dunk it in some weird liquid, and then they dunk it in the salt. And [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --and it gets in your drink, right? That stinks. We hate that.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: We hate that. That can go home. That can sashay away. So--

MONET X CHANGE: Bye.

PAM WIZNITZER: Bye. This type of rim that we're doing can shantay and stay, because this is how we're going to enjoy our drink with none of the salt or anything on the inside. So you take a lemon or lime, and you--

MONET X CHANGE: Uh-huh.

PAM WIZNITZER: --take your glass, and you're going to roll the outside like this--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh.

PAM WIZNITZER: --all the way around.

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: All the way around. So you see where the juice is on the outside?

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: All right. Now let's take our glass over to our plate that we made the mixture on--

[INTERPOSING VOICES]

MONET X CHANGE: --we're not just making cocktails. We're giving you guys tips for sex.

PAM WIZNITZER: That's right. Stay after [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: Oh my god. Could you imagine putting a little lemon on your stuff before you rim? That sounds dangerous. Actually, don't do that.

PAM WIZNITZER: [INAUDIBLE]

MONET X CHANGE: That sounds painful. That burns. That is not-- do not listen to me.

PAM WIZNITZER: No. Listen, we've all seen the grapefruit video. This is not the lemon video, OK? You know, that would've been a great Halloween costume, just carrying around a grapefruit that looked like that [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: Oh my god. Oh, girl, that's Patti's Halloween costume. Patti's dressing up as the grapefruit and servicing men across the tri-state area.

PAM WIZNITZER: Boom. Who said Halloween wasn't fun?

MONET X CHANGE: Honestly, I might do that. That's a great idea. That's a great idea!

PAM WIZNITZER: OK, how does your glass look? So you're just rolling.

MONET X CHANGE: I think it looks fierce. Look at mine. That's cute!

PAM WIZNITZER: That's so cute! Look how great it looks. Yes.

MONET X CHANGE: Right? I love it. It looks super cute.

PAM WIZNITZER: I love it. I love it so much. And it's kind of-- it matches your outfit. The colors-- it matches--

MONET X CHANGE: Right?

PAM WIZNITZER: Yes. Cinematic, you are.

MONET X CHANGE: A dusty-ass brown.

PAM WIZNITZER: Look at all those shades of brown. Get it. OK, ready?

MONET X CHANGE: Right? Mm.

PAM WIZNITZER: And the pink. And the dash of pink. Well, now is the best part 'cause now is when we shake the cocktail. So let's add a little ice--

MONET X CHANGE: We need some ice.

PAM WIZNITZER: --to the shaker. You love your ice.

MONET X CHANGE: I do.

PAM WIZNITZER: Mm-hmm. And we just need ice in the shaker. We don't need any extra. [INAUDIBLE]

MONET X CHANGE: Also, I took my thumbnails off so I can, like, do things. I had these crazy nails on, and I was, like, literally-- I, like, melted these nails to make this whole thing. So I had to take my nails off so I can be functioning-- functional today.

PAM WIZNITZER: Oh my gosh. I will tell you-- so I bought my nails-- I always have my nails long. And I definitely--

MONET X CHANGE: Love that.

PAM WIZNITZER: --did a cocktail thing where I, like, took off a thumbnail, like, grating something. I was like, oops. The price of beauty. The price of beauty! OK. We have our shaker set. Are we--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: --ready to shake up a storm?

MONET X CHANGE: I am. I is.

PAM WIZNITZER: OK. Ready? 1-- oh. Ready? 1, 2, 3, go.

MONET X CHANGE: Whoo!

PAM WIZNITZER: [INAUDIBLE] is always good.

MONET X CHANGE: (SINGING) Ooh, it's cold! It's cold!

PAM WIZNITZER: (SINGING) It's cold!

MONET X CHANGE: OK, she feels shaken but not stirred.

PAM WIZNITZER: Not stirred. All right. Can you open it up?

MONET X CHANGE: This is always the part that gets me. I always feel like I'm going to fucking-- [GROANS] OK, there we go.

PAM WIZNITZER: [INAUDIBLE] you got it?

MONET X CHANGE: Pam is like, look at this bitch. The bitch can't even open up a glass.

PAM WIZNITZER: It's fine. It's fine. It's not the easiest, you know? But you know, you just hit it on the side, and it opens up. Oh, beautiful. You put it on the top. And we're going to strain it. Ready? Boom. Look at that.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: Get it.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, yes, honey.

PAM WIZNITZER: I love this.

MONET X CHANGE: Come on, UTI.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yes, let's go. Let's go.

MONET X CHANGE: Sorry. So inappropriate! So inappropriate! Whoo! Man, this looks so good. Ooh, I can't wait to taste this. OK.

PAM WIZNITZER: All right. So cheers.

MONET X CHANGE: Cheers, my dear. Happy Halloween.

PAM WIZNITZER: [INAUDIBLE]

MONET X CHANGE: I hope that this Halloween brings you fun, excitement, spooky, horror.

PAM WIZNITZER: Oh, all the horror out there.

MONET X CHANGE: Cheers!

PAM WIZNITZER: Cheers to you. Mm, that's good.

MONET X CHANGE: OK, Pam? I got to be real with you.

PAM WIZNITZER: Hm.

MONET X CHANGE: Before this drink, I am not a big pumpkin spice lover. And I know I always like the cocktails. I'm serious. This-- for someone who is not, like, a big pumpkin spice eater or, like, liker, this is really good.

PAM WIZNITZER: This is it.

MONET X CHANGE: I really like it.

PAM WIZNITZER: She did it. Yeah, I think that's the fun part, is when you take something a little seasonal and add it to one of our favorite--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

PAM WIZNITZER: --classics and turn it out, right?

MONET X CHANGE: And it's not super spicy or super pumpkiny. It's just [INAUDIBLE] like a nice, subtle, like, note.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah. And the hint of the rim, also, with, like, a bit of--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm.

PAM WIZNITZER: --saltiness and everything--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

PAM WIZNITZER: --it brings it all--

MONET X CHANGE: The salt--

PAM WIZNITZER: --together.

MONET X CHANGE: The rim is really good.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yeah. So you can enjoy this.

MONET X CHANGE: Mm.

PAM WIZNITZER: And you can make pitchers of this for your friends and shake them up as soon as they come over. It's a real easy drink, so--

MONET X CHANGE: It is. Thank you so much, Pam! I'm going to make another one of these. This is good.

PAM WIZNITZER: Yes, make [INAUDIBLE] you know, I know you've got more guests coming on today, so you can make some for all of them--

MONET X CHANGE: Yes, yes--

PAM WIZNITZER: --but mostly just for you.

MONET X CHANGE: --for Miss Cheyenne Jackson. I'm gonna make one, and I'm-- and I'll mail it to him. He should get it by the time we film my part.

PAM WIZNITZER: Absolutely [INAUDIBLE].

MONET X CHANGE: Thank you so much, Pam. I love, love, love, love, love you so much. Enjoy your Halloween, for reals. And we're both in the city. Let's do a dinner or something outside, and get cocktails, and judge them by how shitty they are 'cause, you know, you're a bartender. You know, that will be-- that'll be fun for me.

PAM WIZNITZER: Absolutely. I love to not only silently judge, but outwardly judge as well. So we'll definitely [INAUDIBLE]. But Happy Halloween to everyone. Remember to enjoy it. Celebrate. There's a lot going on right now. Vote. Please vote. [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: Girl, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

PAM WIZNITZER: Exercise your rights to vote. And if all this time is really hard, makes three of these.

MONET X CHANGE: Bye, my dear. Muah--

PAM WIZNITZER: Bye.

MONET X CHANGE: --muah, muah, muah.

PAM WIZNITZER: Take care.

MONET X CHANGE: All right. Let me run down the resume for y'all, all right? Broadway star, TV star, movie star, "RuPaul Drag Race" cameos. No, I'm not just talking about myself. [INAUDIBLE] all shook up about our guest. Please welcome the very, very charming Cheyenne Jackson.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Here we are. Hi, Monét. How are you?

MONET X CHANGE: I'm good, Cheyenne. How are you?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: I'm good. I'm good. I just got my kids down for a nap. They are-- I have 4-year-old twins. And most people-- most people's-- their kids would stop napping around three and a half. But I'm, like, hanging on to this fucking nap. So I'm-- they're going to have to--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, if I--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --pry it out of my dead hand.

MONET X CHANGE: If I had kids-- if I had kids, I would probably have to sedate them. I'd be like, y'all-- oh, y'all gon-- y'all gonna take a nap today.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Oh, yeah. Are you-- are you sleepy? Do you want some Benadryl? No, I know. There are definitely-- no, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. It's a day-by-day thing here.

MONET X CHANGE: Are you-- I love-- I have to say, we were setting up the shot before, and this little, like, Madonna ray of light coming in-- it is adding to the Cheyenne Jackson [INAUDIBLE]--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: (SINGING) [INAUDIBLE] sky at night, I wander. It is. I know. It's-- the only place I can shoot is in my kid's playroom 'cause everything else is ocupado. So yeah, here we are in this-- this little ray of light on my face here.

MONET X CHANGE: I love it. Now, I ju-- I didn't realize that you were from Spokane. Imagine an alternate reality where I was also from Spokane and we went to the same high school together. Do you think we'll be married with these two beautiful twin boys right now?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yes. Well, two things. Number one, it's "Spoh-can." And when you're from Spokane, you always-- people always say "Spoh-cane." [INAUDIBLE]

MONET X CHANGE: Sorry [INAUDIBLE] damn, Cheyenne. Damn, I'm sorry!

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's OK. It's OK. No, "Spoh-ca"-- and then yes, I think we would. I think we would. And I have a boy and a girl. But yeah--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --I think we would be married.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, a boy and a girl. So cute!

CHEYENNE JACKSON: And we'd h-- we'd have some mocha-choca-lata kiddo pies. And they'd be-- they'd be beautiful.

MONET X CHANGE: You know, I used to live in Portland, so we're kind of neighbors. I know, you know, Spokane is very different from Seattle because the vibe-- Seattle/Portland vibe are very similar. But you know, still kind of neighborly [INAUDIBLE]--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's still Northwest. Yeah, it's still Northwest.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's still flannelly and crispy. Yeah. No, it's good.

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's similar.

MONET X CHANGE: Are you doing virtual-- four years old-- is that kindergarten? Are you doing virtual teaching at that age yet?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Pre-- they're in preschool. They just turned four--

MONET X CHANGE: Preschool.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --last week. So actually--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, OK.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --my-- we are very, very fortunate in that my husband's mom lives with us. And she lives in our guest house. And she is-- has become, out of necessity, a preschool teacher. So we made--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --the guest house into a full preschool with everything they need. They have a curriculum. And I mean, I-- every morning, we get them dressed. I do their hair. They, like, take, you know, backpacks. It's still-- since February, they still, like, go to school for five and a half hours. And it's--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, that's good.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's pretty cool. I'm glad that they weren't six or seven or eight, or older, when this happened because now-- you know, if they were in preschool, they'd be just sitting around eating crayons and, you know, pooping their pants anyway.

MONET X CHANGE: That was literally me.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: And now they're doing that here.

MONET X CHANGE: That was--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: --me at four years old-- eating crayons. That was literally me.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah, me, too.

MONET X CHANGE: Thank you for bringing me back to childhood. Now, so back in-- back growing up, were you a theater kid, or did you find theater later in life? Because I mean, in high school, I did go to an arts high school, but I didn't, like--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: --find a love of theater and opera until, like, later, you know what I mean?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Right. It was a little different for me. I grew up in this teeny little town in northern Idaho called Oldtown, Idaho. It's right on the border of Washington and Idaho. Like 1,200 people in the town. We grew up very, very poor. Like, I'm talking--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --no running water, outhouse poor. So there wasn't a lot of children's theater, and there wasn't a lot of any kind of anything around, except for the Aryan Nation compound, which--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh god.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --was [INAUDIBLE] then. Yeah. So--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: But the first ti-- I did do two plays in high school--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --"Bye Bye Birdie" and "Li'l Abner," like everybody does. And then when I was 14, my-- our French teacher took us to Spokane, Washington to watch "Les Mis." She called it "Les Misérables."

MONET X CHANGE: Oh.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: And she said--

MONET X CHANGE: (SINGING) I dreamed the dream of [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yes. Exactly. And in that moment, I honestly-- as a little queer kid from Idaho, I didn't even know that Broadway or any of that world existed. So it's like my whole brain cracked open. And I thought, ooh, there's--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --a way for me out of here, 'cause I knew that I could sing at an early age. But I didn't know what else I was going to do. I mean, I sang in church, but--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --you know. So theater-- when I graduated high school, I went-- I found out about this summer stock program in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho called The Carousel Players. And I auditioned, and I got in. And it was the first time I'd ever seen queer people, first time I'd ever seen people of color, first time I'd--

MONET X CHANGE: Wow.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --ever seen anybody that wasn't just white Republican. And--

MONET X CHANGE: Wow.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --it was amazing. I felt like I found my tribe of weirdos. And it was--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It was awesome. And I jokingly-- but it's actually true-- the first show we did was "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers." And [INAUDIBLE] I think I slept with five of the seven brothers, just to make sure. And those were the best--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --formidable-- you know, those early-- my late teens, early 20s, it was just-- it was all about theater and--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: You know, I joined a gay volleyball league. Our team was called Safe Sets. Get it? [CLICKS TONGUE]

MONET X CHANGE: Oh god.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: And no, I need--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE] honey.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: I-- yeah, very punny. I needed to find my tribe and find my theater--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --people. And that's how I started to realize, ooh, there is a way out of this little town.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. You know, that was-- that's-- well, not so much me, but my first theater experience was "Rent." I was just telling my assistant Patti before this. But the first theater show-- or the first Broadway anything I ever saw was "Rent." They took us to see it in the spring of sophomore year of college-- of high school.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Mm.

MONET X CHANGE: And it was like, we're, like, these, like, 12-- 13, 14-year-old kids going to see "Rent", like, on Broadway. Sex, all the things. I was like, oh, I want to be a part of this for the rest of my life. This is fierce. And that's [INAUDIBLE]--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Oh, yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: --theater and stage and everything. It was great.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Oh, "Rent" was the be-all, end-all. That changed the game. We were-- I remember be-- I was in a--

MONET X CHANGE: For real.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: [INAUDIBLE] little local production of-- in Spokane, we were doing "Kiss Me, Kate." And backstage, we were all singing, like, (SINGING) What'd you forget? Got a light? I know you. You're-- and I-- when I got to New York, I auditioned, Monét, probably 10 times for "Rent." And I'd be sitting in that au-- sitting in that room just like-- 'cause I wanted to be Roger so bad. I'm just not--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --physically the right-- and vocally, I'm not the right type. But I'd be like, (SINGING) One song, glo-- and it just wasn't-- like, some things are not the right fit. But I do love that show.

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE] taking that all the way to "Equal." Cheyenne, I saw the "Equal" trai-- I haven't seen it. I haven't watched the docudrama yet. But it--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: --looks so good. It's so important. I was just talking to Shannon Purser. She was on the show last week. And I mean, it looks amazing. Literally, like, my mouth was watering watching it thinking about--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Mm.

MONET X CHANGE: --all of the things that I didn't even know, as a queer person, I'm going to learn from watching this. It looks so good. Please, please, please, please talk to us about "Equal." What--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Sure.

MONET X CHANGE: --can we expect?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Well, what I love about the whole construct of "Equal" is that it's about the unsung heroes. It's about the people in our queer culture that maybe we don't know their names and we don't know their stories--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --you know? I'm--

MONET X CHANGE: That's real.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --45--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Right. And I'm 45, and I am pretty educated on my history in-- at least--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --in our culture. There's so much that I didn't know. I didn't know who Dale Jennings was. I didn't know what the Mattachine--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --Society was, and Harry Hay, and all of that. So in that respect, I was really excited to do it. I was a little wary, if I'm being honest, just because I heard that there were reenactments. And--

[PHONE CHIMES]

--that can go either way. Reenactments--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: We've all seen, like-- like "Locked Up"--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Oh, OK.

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, sorry [INAUDIBLE] real quick.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah, yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: Sorry, go ahead.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Sure, sure. So reenactments can go either way. They can be super hokey, or they--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --can be really-- and take you out of the story. But then I talked to the director, and I talked to the cinematographer. And they said it was going to be almost like a dream and very non-linear-- poetic. So basically--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --it was going to be a lot of voiceover mixed with great archival footage. And then what we would--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --be just kind of creating would be snapshots of these people's lives, and, of course, with--

MONET X CHANGE: I love that.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --with Miss Billy Porter yacking over the top of it. That just pulled it all-- pulled it all together.

MONET X CHANGE: I love it, love it, love it. And you're playing Dale Jennings. Now-- and again, like, kind of like you said, I feel so bad about this. I have no idea who Dale Jennings is. I don't--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: --know what his contributions were to our queer her-story and history.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Mm-hmm.

MONET X CHANGE: Who was Dale Jennings?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Dale Jennings was one of the co-founders of the Mattachine Society, which was kind of the first LGBTQ support system, if you will. I mean, there isn't really an equivalent--

MONET X CHANGE: Oh.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --of that today. But Harry Hay, and he, and a few other guys put it together. Back in that time, in 1952 and '53, you know, pre-Stonewall, you could-- if-- you could be arrested--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --for even just being with your friends in a house or just being out and having drinks with your friends.

MONET X CHANGE: So crazy to think about. That's so crazy.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's insane to think about. Just a normal-- and that's what I-- that's what I think you'll find, at least what I did when I saw the first few episodes. The best parts of it are the real archival footage of, like, just gay dudes kiki-ing, sitting in their houses. I love the way they touch each other, the way--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --they talk, because it's the same. It's the same as us now--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --except for, 70 years ago, if you were-- if you were found to be in a place of ill repute or whatever, your personal information could be put about-- put in the newspaper. You could lose your job. You could be fired. I mean, it was just--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, [INAUDIBLE]--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: The stakes were so high. So Dale was, I believe, one of the first-- so he was arrested. He was trailed by this cop, a cop that was pretending to be, like, a trick. So the guy--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm-hmm.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: The cop forced himself on him and then arrested Dale. And then Dale was charged. And he, under oath, was one of the first people on record to say, I am a homosexual, and I'm not ashamed of it. And then along with Harry--

MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --Hay and the Mattachine Society, they created this network and this support system. And the laws were changed. And I mean, it's been a slow and steady climb, but it's a very interesting slice of a-- of our important history.

MONET X CHANGE: Definitely. Hopefully some-- the powers that be will see this. I mean, with Amy Coney Barrett, you know, it seems very bleak and not likely. But hopefully we use this as a catalyst to have queer education in school. I've been a big advocate for, like, having African-American, like, history taught in, like, Ameri-- from elementary to high school to college.

And I think the same should be for queer history. Queer history is so-- you know, I-- it's so involved, and there's so much that we don't know. Like, those things need to be taught so kids know where they come from, who they are, and the-- you know, the struggles that came before that's it's so important.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --there was so much that I didn't know. There's so many-- and I love "RuPaul's Drag Race." You know how much-- I mean, I continue to be--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --on the show. Ru is a friend. But there are so many people that think that "RuPaul's Drag Race" is all there is to drag and all there is--

MONET X CHANGE: Hello?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --to gay culture.

MONET X CHANGE: Yes.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: So--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --let's use this--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --use this as a catalyst, like you said, to actually dig deeper and learn more, because I mean, that's what Ru's whole thing has been about. And yeah, so I'm excited for-- I'm excited for people to see that show. It's good.

MONET X CHANGE: Now I want to play a little game, going back to your ea-- going back to your roots [INAUDIBLE].

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: We're going to play a little game called American [INAUDIBLE] Story, all right? So what's--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: --going to happen is I'm going to mute my mic, and I'm--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: --going to give-- and I'm going to be saying a Halloween-esque phrase. And you're going to try to guess what I'm saying.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Oh, OK. I'm going to have to get closer so I can read your lips.

MONET X CHANGE: Yes. Yeah--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: --look at these lips, OK?

CHEYENNE JACKSON: I'm looking at his--

MONET X CHANGE: All right.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --leftest blue lips. OK.

MONET X CHANGE: All right. Patti, are you ready? Patti, mute my mic.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: "Silence of the Lambs."

MONET X CHANGE: Yay!

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah?

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK, good.

MONET X CHANGE: --that was the [INAUDIBLE]!

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Good, good, good.

MONET X CHANGE: Do you have one? I want to-- do yours. Do yours.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Let me think.

MONET X CHANGE: Just think of any-- anything Halloween-- a movie--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Halloweeny?

MONET X CHANGE: --Halloween--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: --scene.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Do I have to mute myself?

MONET X CHANGE: I mean, if you-- if you-- if you promise to not make noise.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK, I'll try. Ready?

MONET X CHANGE: OK. One more time. Child, I don't know what you're saying, but this-- these little mummy bandages about to come off. Whoo! [INAUDIBLE]

CHEYENNE JACKSON: I said-- I said "Nightmare on Elm Street."

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, see, the L-- that [INAUDIBLE]--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: L. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: --that got me--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: That got me--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: I know.

MONET X CHANGE: --confused. I was getting delirious. I was getting delirious. OK, I'll do-- I'll do one more. I'll do one more. [CLEARS THROAT] This one is short. All right.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK. Oh, wait. Your lips are a little bit behind the phone. I can't see you. OK, there you go. There you go.

MONET X CHANGE: Can you see me now? [INAUDIBLE]--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yep, yep. Oh, I don't know.

MONET X CHANGE: You know, I'll do a little-- I'll do a little ASMR moment for you.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: "It."

CHEYENNE JACKSON: [GASPS] Yes. That's some--

MONET X CHANGE: OK, one more, Cheyenne.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: That's some scary shit.

MONET X CHANGE: You got to do one more. You got to do one more for me, Cheyenne.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: OK.

MONET X CHANGE: One more.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Let me do one more. OK. Let me think. OK.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, "The Exorcist."

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yeah.

MONET X CHANGE: Yes, yes, yes. That was-- Chey, I also heard that you were part of the "Saved by the Bell Reboot." Can I tell you how--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Yes.

MONET X CHANGE: --excited I am? Because you are-- and also, I know Elizabeth Berkley is. And I am literally obsessed with her. She's my icon, my queen, my star. And I can't wait to see it. When is, like-- when you guys are doing promo for it, please come back with her.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: For sure. Well, let me tell you real quick. So I play her husband on it. And Elizabeth is-- I have loved her since "Saved by the Bell," but I also went--

MONET X CHANGE: Uh-huh.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --through the entire "Showgirls" journey with her--

MONET X CHANGE: Girl--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --from afar. From afar.

MONET X CHANGE: --and every queer person ever.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: Ever. But she is somebody who is-- she is-- she's not cynical. And just being--

MONET X CHANGE: Mm.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --the age that she was and gone through that gauntlet like she did and to come out as--

MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --lovely and kind-- I swear to-- she is so fucking sweet and kind. And she's really funny in the reboot. But we met briefly years ago doing a little play--

MONET X CHANGE: Uh-huh.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --and just have remained friends. And when this came about, she's like, do you want to play my husband in the reboot? I'm like, yeah. I grew up watching that show, so--

MONET X CHANGE: OK.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: She's absolutely the sweetest, sweetest, sweetest person. And we had really fun-- my part is really very polarizing. Let's just put it that way.

MONET X CHANGE: Oh, boy. That's all right. People are going to love you anyway. [INAUDIBLE] literally, you could be-- you could play the meanest, nastiest curmudgeon-- whatever. People are like, but it's Cheyenne Jackson, though, so--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: [INAUDIBLE]--

MONET X CHANGE: --you know, like, whatever.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --as my aunt says. "Shy-an." She's from Michigan. "Shy-an."

MONET X CHANGE: "Shy-an."

CHEYENNE JACKSON: "Shy-an."

MONET X CHANGE: Cheyenne, thank you so much for being here today. This was so fun.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: You--

MONET X CHANGE: Listen, if y'all--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: --are welcome.

MONET X CHANGE: --don't have any plans to watch "Equal," I'm telling you, you're making a mistake. I haven't watched it yet, but just the trailer-- it looks so good. And if you want to learn more about queer history and who-- where we come from and the things that we-- that our gaycestors-- whatever-- our queer tribe-- what we have had to go through and overcome to be where we are today, check it out. HBO Max. Cheyenne, thank you so much for being here.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: You are so, so welcome. This beam of light never left me.

MONET X CHANGE: It's there. It's there, girl.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's still there.

MONET X CHANGE: It's just part of your life from now on.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: It's part of my life.

MONET X CHANGE: Have a good, good, good, good rest of your day--

CHEYENNE JACKSON: You, too, honey.

MONET X CHANGE: --and I'll talk to you soon.

CHEYENNE JACKSON: You, too, honey. Take care.

MONET X CHANGE: OK. All righty. And there we go, y'all. That is a show. Thank you all for tuning in. I finished Pam's drink. And now I'm adding some more Prosecco because you know I'm a bad bitch. And yeah, Happy Halloween to y'all. The next time Patti and I talk to you, Patti will be in the UK! Patti and I will be living in the UK for the next three months. So just know, when I record these episodes, it's probably going to be, like, 2:00 AM my time and, like, a nice time for y'all. So you're fucking welcome, all right?

Y'all be safe. Stay social distance trick-or-treating. Make sure you are listening to our podcast. Make sure you're putting in your notifications for our channel. And we'll talk to you next time. Good day, [INAUDIBLE]. Good day, mate.